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    http://www.itv.com/news/index_1677571.html

    ITV News has obtained secret documents and photographs that detail why police shot Jean Charles De Menezes dead on the tube.

    The Brazilian electrician was killed on 22 July, the day after the series of failed bombings on the tube and bus network.

    The crucial mistake that ultimately led to his death was made at 9.30am when Jean Charles left his flat in Scotia Road, South London.

    Surveillance officers wrongly believed he could have been Hussain Osman, one of the prime suspects, or another terrorist suspect.

    By 10am that morning, elite firearms officers were provided with what they describe as "positive identification" and shot De Menezes eight times in the head and upper body.

    The documents and photographs confirm that Jean Charles was not carrying any bags, and was wearing a denim jacket, not a bulky winter coat, as had previously been claimed.

    He was behaving normally, and did not vault the barriers, even stopping to pick up a free newspaper.

    He started running when we saw a tube at the platform. Police had agreed they would shoot a suspect if he ran.

    A document describes CCTV footage, which shows Mr de Menezes entered Stockwell station at a "normal walking pace" and descended slowly on an escalator.

    The document said: "At some point near the bottom he is seen to run across the concourse and enter the carriage before sitting in an available seat.

    "Almost simultaneously armed officers were provided with positive identification."

    A member of the surveillance team is quoted in the report. He said: "I heard shouting which included the word `police' and turned to face the male in the denim jacket.

    "He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the CO19 officers. I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side.

    "I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting. I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage."

    The report also said a post mortem examination showed Mr de Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, but three other bullets missed, with the casings left lying in the tube carriage.

    Police have declined to comment while the mistaken killing is still being investigated.
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  • #2
    This poor guy didn't do ANYTHING wrong.

    For everyone who said he got what he deserved, that he should have known better... He did NOTHING

    He left his apartment, went to the train, walked, didn't run from anyone, even stood and walked over to the police when they called.

    Then they grabbed him and after he was pinned to a seat, with NO heavy coat for them to claim they thought he might have a bomb, they executed the wrong man.
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    • #3
      So the British have a "fit the description defense too"

      The terrorist just won another battle.
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      • #4
        Almost simultaneously armed officers were provided with positive identification
        That SOB needs to go to jail
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        • #5
          It was a tragic error of judgement. However, it's now time to move on.

          The British government should financially compensate the family. I'd be for making them tax exempt, paying them a nice lump sum, and taking care of the other children's formal education.

          As far as the policemen goes, like I mentioned before, I don't know how any of us would react had a major terror atack had just happned in our local area. Let's all hope and pray we'll never ever find out.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by madyaks@Aug 17 2005, 01:59 AM
            He started running when we saw a tube at the platform. Police had agreed they would shoot a suspect if he ran.

            So, anyone heard of any case anywhere involving a suicide bomber running?

            Ever?

            Does it jibe with the committment level of blowing one's self to bits?
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            • #7
              Oh well....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by *007*@Aug 17 2005, 07:21 AM
                Oh well....
                .. just another dead brown man.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dredbyrd+Aug 17 2005, 08:25 AM-->
                  QUOTE(dredbyrd @ Aug 17 2005, 08:25 AM)

                • #10
                  Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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                  • #11
                    Those that live in the past are condemned to be bitter.

                    Dat's right!

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by The Kev@Aug 17 2005, 04:12 AM


                      The British government should financially compensate the family. I'd be for making them tax exempt, paying them a nice lump sum, and taking care of the other children's formal education.


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                      • #13
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                        • #14
                          The leaked report said the intelligence operation may have been botched because an officer carrying out surveillance had gone to the toilet when de Menezes left the building.
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                          • #15
                            This deserves ITS own thread.

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