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  • #46
    Originally posted by Schwahalala@Aug 11 2005, 08:13 PM


    I just keep my eyes open - having grown up there I know places a little more dangerous - but they usually have a time of day that makes them dangerous rather than the area.
    You know, I am almost 50 years old. I have been taught that you just don't go to ESL. I hate that attitude from people but that is the perception, good or bad. I really wish it wasn't that way but realistically, who in their right mind would travel through ESL after dark? Look what happened to Sluey. I wish they would clean up all the drug dealings and corruption but where do you start? I think you have to trust your instincts and stay away from there. I wish it wasn't that way but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Schwahalala+Aug 11 2005, 07:17 PM-->
      QUOTE(Schwahalala @ Aug 11 2005, 07:17 PM)
      Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:10 PM

    • #48
      Originally posted by Schwahalala+Aug 11 2005, 08:17 PM-->
      QUOTE(Schwahalala @ Aug 11 2005, 08:17 PM)
      Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:10 PM

    • #49
      Originally posted by Schwahalala+Aug 11 2005, 08:17 PM-->
      QUOTE(Schwahalala @ Aug 11 2005, 08:17 PM)
      Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:10 PM

    • #50
      Originally posted by BurnKU+Aug 11 2005, 08:19 PM-->
      QUOTE(BurnKU @ Aug 11 2005, 08:19 PM)
      Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 07:17 PM
      Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:10 PM

    • #51
      I hate the idea of the federal government giving money to redevelop the area.

      That's a recipe for corruption.

      It needs to be private development.
      When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

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      • #52
        Originally posted by WinstonSmith+Aug 11 2005, 08:23 PM-->
        QUOTE(WinstonSmith @ Aug 11 2005, 08:23 PM)
        Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:17 PM
        Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:10 PM

      • #53
        Originally posted by WinstonSmith@Aug 11 2005, 08:39 PM
        I hate the idea of the federal government giving money to redevelop the area.

        That's a recipe for corruption.

        It needs to be private development.

        Yeah that's my second strategy - but some Federal, State and Local funds will have to also be present if for no other reason than eminent domain.

        By the way - their is a very interesting case from East St. Louis where eminent domian was used to basically give land to a business. Strange.
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        • #54
          Originally posted by Celtic@Aug 11 2005, 08:14 PM
          Maybe. I doubt it though. because you have to go through the 'hoops'. Blight the area. Then the people that you buy out have to have affordable housing to go to. Then develop the newly aquired land. But you would have to do it on a grand scale. Just because you are selling fantasic condos w/ a great view of STL, you still have to buy your groceries somewhere. Development over on the east side should be lead by business' relocating. Then the people will follow. A 'new' dowtown would fit perfectly across from the big horseshoe.
          Of course it's a maybe. And like you said - the development must be lead by businesses moving back into the area. But as Schwa said - St. Clair County has the highest taxes in the state (or just about). My current employer is moving it's base of operations from St. Clair County (where it has been since the mid-40s) to Madison County (they recently purchased the company I worked for) because their property taxes are going to go from over $50k/year to about $15k/year - and to top it off they will be in a better main office and have a great construction yard to base their operations out of. The county needs to give tax breaks/incentives to businesses to get them to move into and redevelop several of these blighted areas. Just like the City of St. Louis needs to cut back on their ticket tax for the sports franchises in the city, etc...

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Schwahalala+Aug 11 2005, 08:42 PM-->
            QUOTE(Schwahalala @ Aug 11 2005, 08:42 PM)

          • #56
            Originally posted by Celtic+Aug 11 2005, 08:21 PM-->
            QUOTE(Celtic @ Aug 11 2005, 08:21 PM)
            Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:17 PM
            Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:10 PM

          • #57
            Originally posted by *007*+Aug 11 2005, 08:43 PM-->
            QUOTE(*007* @ Aug 11 2005, 08:43 PM)
            Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:42 PM

          • #58
            Originally posted by Schwahalala+Aug 11 2005, 08:54 PM-->
            QUOTE(Schwahalala @ Aug 11 2005, 08:54 PM)
            Originally posted by *007*@Aug 11 2005, 08:43 PM
            Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:42 PM

          • #59
            The people in East St. Louis are animals. Or is that Meacham Park? Well, certain geographic areas in the metro area are undesirable for reasons that have nothing to do with the race of the people that live in those areas.

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            • #60
              Originally posted by *007*+Aug 11 2005, 08:54 PM-->
              QUOTE(*007* @ Aug 11 2005, 08:54 PM)
              Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:54 PM
              Originally posted by *007*@Aug 11 2005, 08:43 PM
              Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:42 PM
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