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    I'll leave Damtoft to let Nick know what he equals, but what do you say about this?

    People who bash without research = ?



    XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON MARCH 29, 2004 17:04:22 ET XXXXX

    1999: CLARKE REFUSED TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH; CITING PRIVILEGE

    National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice on Monday continued to maintain her public testimony before the panel investigating the Sept. 11 attacks would represent a breach of separation between congress and the executive -- a claim once used by Bush critic Richard Clarke!

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    On July 29, 1999, Richard Clarke was scheduled to appear before the Senate Special Committee on the Y2K computer scare.

    Senator Bob Bennett (R-UT) chaired the hearing, and made the announcement that Richard Clarke would not be appearing before the committee -- due to a directive by the National Security Council.

    The congressional record; Senator Bennett:

    "Before the committee comes to order, I have some information to share with you which I'm sure will cause some consternation and disappointment. We were scheduled -- at the beginning of this gathering we agreed not to call that portion of it a hearing, to have a briefing from Mr. Richard Clarke. And many of you have been notified that he would be here and as recently as yesterday afternoon when I was with him, we were looking forward to his appearance and he was sharing with me some of the areas that he planned to discuss while he was here.

    "Mr. Clarke, as many of you know, is the national coordinator for security and infrastructure protection and counterterrorism on the National Security Council.

    "Last night, into the evening, we were notified that the legal staff of the National Security Council had determined that it would be inappropriate for Mr. Clarke to appear. I have just spoken to him on the telephone. The rule apparently is that any member of the White House staff who has not been confirmed is not to be allowed to testify before the Congress. They can perform briefings, but they are not to give testimony. And that in response to that rule, Mr. Clarke will not be coming.

    "He apologized to me for their failure to tell us that in a way that would have prevented our putting out the press notice in advance. I do not, in any sense, attribute any improper motives to Mr. Clarke. We had understood that the briefing could be held as long as there was no record made of it so that it would not be part of the formal hearing. And we were prepared to receive his briefing with the court recorder being instructed not to make any record of it and that that would comply with the rule.

    "As I say, last evening I received a call at home after the Senate had adjourned telling me that that arrangement would not be acceptable to the legal staff at the National Security Council and that Mr. Clarke, therefore, would not be here.

    "He said in our phone conversation just a minute or two ago that he would be happy to come before the committee and give us whatever information we wanted in a closed briefing. I suppose we could have cleared the room here this morning and allowed him to give that briefing to the committee, but I felt given the fact that so many people had gathered it would be an inconvenience for them if we were to do that.

    "So we will schedule a briefing with Mr. Clarke at some future time. And the members of the committee will disclose that which we feel is appropriate to disclose based on his briefing.

    "We are disappointed. His conversation with me minutes ago make it clear that he is disappointed. I know he wanted to be here, but that is what has taken place in the last 10 to 12 hours. "So with that word of explanation and, as I say, disappointment to many of you, I will now officially call the committee to order..."
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    Dick2 = Dumbass

    Foot into Mouth
    And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

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    • #3
      They don't believe anything from Drudge, of course unless it's something they agree with.
      Asked what he would do differently in Iraq, Kerry said, "Right now, what I would do differently is, I mean, look, I'm not the president, and I didn't create this mess so I don't want to acknowledge a mistake that I haven't made."

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      • #4
        Don't expect him to respond.

        As Dick would say about some stupid thread he started in which random exclamation points were used and unnecessary use of "bold" was rampant, the silence is deafening.
        When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BurnKU@Mar 29 2004, 04:59 PM
          They don't believe anything from Drudge, of course unless it's something they agree with.
          pot, kettle.
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          • #6
            Dick2 = Dumbass
            And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

            -The Artist formerly known as King in KC

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            • #7
              it's over 9-11

              open the books
              Are you on the list?

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              • #8
                Did you bother to read the article, LVReb, or just the Drudge headline:

                The rule apparently is that any member of the White House staff who has not been confirmed is not to be allowed to testify before the Congress.
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                • #9
                  Did you bother to read the article, LVReb, or just the Drudge headline:

                  The rule apparently is that any member of the White House staff who has not been confirmed is not to be allowed to testify before the Congress.
                  Trig you do realize rice was not confirmed.
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                  • #10
                    The only way the Commission should let Condi "revise" her statements is by a public hearing. She had her chance in private, in un-sworn testimony, to give her information concerning 9/11. Now she wants to meet with the commission, in private, again after Clarke had his testimony given under oath? I don't think so. If Clarke lied, then prosecute him for lying under oath.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lazydaze@Mar 29 2004, 05:21 PM
                      Did you bother to read the article, LVReb, or just the Drudge headline:

                      The rule apparently is that any member of the White House staff who has not been confirmed is not to be allowed to testify before the Congress.
                      Trig you do realize rice was not confirmed.
                      I guess not. Apparently I'm not understanding the confirmation issue, and if that's the case, I'll apologize to Reb for the smart-ass remark.

                      Please elaborate.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BurnKU@Mar 29 2004, 04:59 PM
                        They don't believe anything from Drudge, of course unless it's something they agree with.
                        How's Kerry's illegitimate girlfriend doing in Africa?

                        Did she have the baby yet?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Trigfunctions+Mar 29 2004, 04:27 PM-->
                          QUOTE (Trigfunctions @ Mar 29 2004, 04:27 PM)

                        • #14
                          OK - I looked it up and I did misinterpret what the quote from the Congress meant. I thought he meant Clarke had not YET been confirmed. My apologies, Reb.

                          Now, here's what else I learned in my googling. Freeper borke the story and Newsmax and Drudge are spreading it. Next up, Hannity, Limbaugh, and the rest.

                          http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...9/172749.shtml
                          Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 05:26 PM EST
                          Clarke Refused to Testify in 1999 Citing Same Reasons as Condi

                          Former Clinton terrorism czar Richard Clarke refused to testify before the Senate Y2K Committee in 1999 citing the same rule invoked by National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice in recent days, with the Bush White House saying the regulation prevents her from testifying publicly before the 9/11 Commission.

                          In a transcript of a July 29, 1999 Senate hearing first unearthed by FreeRepublic.com, Committee Chairman Robert Bennett, R-Ut., explained that Clarke had cancelled his appearance, because, as a member of the National Security Council, he hadn't been confirmed by the Senate and as such was prohibited from testifying before Congress
                          So, what we have here is the Bush team saying, for the thousandth time, Clinton did it, so we can do it. Clarke's testimony was to be about Y2K - maybe the Bush team might think terrorism is more important than that, but no.

                          Also,
                          http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...1627EST0669.DTL
                          There are several instances in which sitting national security advisers or White House aides testified before legislative bodies. Among them:

                          * Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security adviser to then-President Carter, testified before the Senate in 1980 regarding alleged lobbying or criminal activities by the president's brother, Billy Carter, on behalf of Libya.

                          * Sandy Berger, national security adviser to then-President Clinton, testified in 1997 before a Senate committee reviewing the Clinton campaign's fund-raising practices.

                          * Several presidential aides during the Nixon administration testified before the Senate about Watergate, including White House counsel John Dean, former chief domestic adviser John Ehrlichman and former White House aide H.R. Haldeman.

                          Louis Fisher, a senior specialist on separation of powers at the Congressional Research Service and author of the 2004 book "The Politics of Executive Privilege," called the Bush administration's legal claims "a scarecrow."
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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Trigfunctions@Mar 29 2004, 05:38 PM
                            Now, here's what else I learned in my googling. Freeper borke the story and Newsmax and Drudge are spreading it. Next up, Hannity, Limbaugh, and the rest.

                            As you would say, does that make it any less true? =]
                            When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

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