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    ST. LOUIS — John Kerry (search) cited a Bible verse Sunday to criticize leaders who have "faith but has no deeds,"
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    "The Scriptures say, what does it profit, my brother, if someone says he has faith but does not have works?" Kerry said. "When we look at what is happening in America today, were are the works of compassion?"
    What Kerry doesn't understand is that the government is not there to do works of compassion. It's OK for it to help to an extent, but works of compassion should be left to the citizenry.

    It's much the same as people who think certain things should be illegal since they are sins. Just because something is a sin doesn't mean it should be illegal.

    These types of views are part of why I won't vote for Kerry.
    "Need some wood?" -- George W. Bush, October 8, 2004

    "Historians will judge if this war is just, not your punk ass." -- Dave Glover, December 8, 2004

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    • #3
      This is where political ideologies fundamentally diverge.

      Those who understand market economies realize that the market is amoral and that the morality of the marketplace needs to come from external sources.

      Lefties embrace socialist politics, because the moral code (read political correctness) is supplied by the ideology itself.

      It's the road to totalitarianism.
      And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

      -The Artist formerly known as King in KC

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Damtoft@Mar 29 2004, 10:09 AM
        Those who understand market economies realize that the market is amoral and that the morality of the marketplace needs to come from external sources.
        Please elaborate on which "external sources" will shepard the "morality of the marketplace."
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        • #5
          I thought the controversy here was that apparently only Dubya is allowed to quote scripture?
          Dude. Can. Fly.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dvyyyyyy@Mar 29 2004, 10:57 AM
            I thought the controversy here was that apparently only Dubya is allowed to quote scripture?
            Remember, George Bush said in a debate that his favorite politcal philosopher was Jesus.

            http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/csrpl/RINVol...philosopher.htm
            Jesus, Political Philosopher
            by Thomas Hambrick-Stowe

            When George W. Bush named Jesus as his favorite political philosopher at the December 13 Republican debate in Des Moines—and several other GOP candidates followed suit—the first journalistic reaction was to note that once again religion had reared its head in presidential politics. But before long, liberal commentators across the land were asking, "What would Jesus think?" about the Bush policy record.

            Fort Worth Star-Telegram columnist Molly Ivins, the scourge of Texas politicians, asked if Bush were indeed influenced by Jesus, why did he "fight to keep 200,000 Texas children from getting medical insurance?" Why, she went on, did the governor oppose hate crimes legislation introduced after James Byrd, Jr. was dragged to his death by three white racists? And why "does the state of Texas discourage people from applying for Medicaid?"

            Bush caught the most heat for his record of support for Texas’ death penalty, which, during his first five years as governor, resulted in the execution of 112 inmates. Arizona Republic cartoonist Steve Benson pictured Bush naming "Christ" as his favorite political philosopher with Jesus standing at the adjacent lectern. "You’d never know it," says Jesus, "from all the people you’ve executed."

            Responding to the cartoon in a letter to the editor, Edward Ryle of the Arizona Catholic Conference claimed Jesus would not have supported the Bush position because he "was an innocent victim of the death penalty" himself. Rocky Mountain News columnist Gene Amelia used the story of Jesus and the woman caught in adultery to make the same point. "Jesus," Amelia wrote, "saved her life by shaming the crowd" with the words, "Let him who is without sin be the first to cast a stone at her."

            In a January 7 New York Times article on Bush’s death-penalty record, Jim Yardley used Bush’s Iowa comment to introduce the story of Karla Faye Tucker, the convicted Texas murderer who became a born-again Christian and a model inmate, and even married the prison chaplain. But, noted Sandy Grady of the Philadelphia Daily News, "Bush’s self-proclaimed Christianity didn’t stop him from executing Karla Faye Tucker, whose heart also was changed by Jesus."

            If Bush had really wanted to imitate Jesus’ teachings, wrote David Corn, Washington editor for The Nation in a January 15 Philadelphia Inquirer op-ed, he would have pardoned Tucker according to the injunction in the Sermon on the Mount, "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy." Instead, "he mocked her eleventh-hour plea, imitating her by whimpering ‘Please, don’t kill me’ with pursed lips," sneered the Boston Globe’s John Aloysius Farrell. "As a matter of political philosophy, Bush says, he does not believe he has the right to ‘replace the verdict of a jury with my own’ in order to show mercy."

            For his part, Bush declined to speculate on what Jesus would have thought of the death penalty. "I’m a lowly sinner," he told a questioner at a January 10 presidential debate in Michigan. "I’m not going to put words in Jesus’ mouth."

            The most detailed effort to design a quiz for Bush on Jesus’ public philosophy came in a January 21 Hartford Courant op-ed by Trinity College religion professor Frank Kirkpatrick:

            Jesus counseled nonviolence … and refused to counter-attack with violence when nailed to the cross. In light of the words and example of Jesus, what role do you see for the military in … the United States?

            Jesus … said that a person should abandon his mother and his father, son and daughter in order to follow him: How would you apply this teaching to family values?
            Jesus said "Give all that you own to the poor" …. How does this inform your understanding of tax policy and the redistribution of wealth?
            Jesus included foreigners, strangers, and aliens in his compassion. How would this practice inform your understanding of America’s immigration policy and its responsibilities to people in other nations?
            Jesus said to his disciples that the best way for them to serve him was by feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and housing the homeless. How would this teaching inform your understanding of domestic policy and the revenues necessary to put it into effect?

            In a December 22 op-ed piece in the Dubuque Telegraph Herald, Loras College politics professor David Cochran extended this critique to the Republican Party as a whole, attacking the party of the Christian right for pursuing policies that hurt the poor and the mentally ill, opposing aid to developing countries, and supporting larger military budgets. "I do not want to imply that there are not sound arguments for some of these policy positions," Cochran wrote. "What I do want to point out, however, is the obvious and inconvenient fact that they are all very much at odds with the teachings of Jesus Christ."

            Although conservative commentators did not hesitate to discuss Bush’s religious commitment and his sponsorship of "faith-based" social service programs in Texas, not one could be found who defended the "political philosopher" remark by claiming that the Bush record reflected the views of

            Jesus. Asked at the Des Moines debate to explain his choice of political philosophers, Bush said, "Well, if they don’t know, it’s going to be hard to explain." His apologists evidently found this to be the case as well.
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            • #7
              "I love you, and God loves you too"
              “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

              Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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              • #8
                No one commented on this quote from the article:

                "Today we are told that, after 3 million lost jobs and so many lost hopes, America is now turning a corner," the pending Democratic presidential nominee said. "But those who say that, they're not standing on the corner of Highland Street, where two 15-year-old teenagers were hit in a drive-by shooting last week."
                Is this a stupid statement or what? What does the drive by shooting have to do with what he's talking about?
                "Need some wood?" -- George W. Bush, October 8, 2004

                "Historians will judge if this war is just, not your punk ass." -- Dave Glover, December 8, 2004

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phantom@Mar 29 2004, 01:38 PM
                  No one commented on this quote from the article:

                  "Today we are told that, after 3 million lost jobs and so many lost hopes, America is now turning a corner," the pending Democratic presidential nominee said. "But those who say that, they're not standing on the corner of Highland Street, where two 15-year-old teenagers were hit in a drive-by shooting last week."
                  Is this a stupid statement or what? What does the drive by shooting have to do with what he's talking about?
                  You'd better get used to the confusion. John's a master at causing it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by phantom@Mar 29 2004, 01:38 PM
                    No one commented on this quote from the article:

                    "Today we are told that, after 3 million lost jobs and so many lost hopes, America is now turning a corner," the pending Democratic presidential nominee said. "But those who say that, they're not standing on the corner of Highland Street, where two 15-year-old teenagers were hit in a drive-by shooting last week."
                    Is this a stupid statement or what? What does the drive by shooting have to do with what he's talking about?
                    What Kerry was saying is that the people that are saying that the "economy is turning around" are much more likely to reside in Ladue than in North County.

                    The context included the previous paragraph...

                    "Kerry told worshippers in the largely black congregation that the country's leadership has served the privileged while ignoring people across America who live in neighborhoods like theirs."
                    “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

                    Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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                    • #11
                      razz, wouldn’t that same geographical distinction hold true for those that thought the economy was booming in the 90's.
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