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  • Clarke Approved Saudi Flights After 9/11

    He's just full of surprises. :-)

  • #2
    Don't fool yourself...it was his evil twin....

    "Can't buy what I want because it's free...
    Can't buy what I want because it's free..."
    -- Pearl Jam, from the single Corduroy

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    • #3

      Clarke's role was revealed in an October 2003 Vanity Fair article. ``Somebody brought to us for approval the decision to let an airplane filled with Saudis, including members of the bin Laden family, leave the country,'' Clarke told Vanity Fair. ``My role was to say that it can't happen unless the FBI approves it. . . And they came back and said yes, it was fine with them. So we said `Fine, let it happen.' ''
      Who is "somebody" ?

      Has anyone ever accused Clarke of having close ties to Saudis?

      No.

      Has anyone accused anyone else within the administration of having close ties to the Saudis?


      Two of the most politically sensitive aspects of the report deal with Saudi terrorism links, and with what U.S. President George Bush was told before Sept. 11.

      -snip-

      The sensitivity of the Saudi issue was highlighted by the fact that only one page out of 28 relating to it was made public. Questions about Saudi terrorism links surfaced shortly after Sept. 11, when it was learned that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi.
      Dude. Can. Fly.

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      • #4
        Oh, come on, Dvyyyy.

        We're talking about a guy who is attempting to say the administration was all wrong. He was neck deep in it. He could have stopped those flights if he thought there was an issue. He didn't.

        Did it matter? Probably not. But it speaks to his character.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by pgrote@Mar 27 2004, 07:55 PM
          Oh, come on, Dvyyyy.

          We're talking about a guy who is attempting to say the administration was all wrong. He was neck deep in it. He could have stopped those flights if he thought there was an issue. He didn't.

          Did it matter? Probably not. But it speaks to his character.
          I thought he took responsibility and apologized for his role in it?

          I've seen this thing with the Saudis before but I've never heard it accepted as a negative for Bush. I've heard it dismissed as not factual. Suddenly, it IS a fact. Weird.
          Dude. Can. Fly.

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          • #6
            ROEMER:You made a decision after 9/11 to, I think -- and I'd like to ask you more about this -- to allow a plane of Saudis to fly out of the country. And when most other planes were grounded, this plane flew from the United States back to Saudi Arabia. I'd like to know why you made that decision, who was on this plane, and if the FBI ever had the opportunity to interview those people.
            CLARKE: You're absolutely right that the Saudi Arabian government did not cooperate with us significantly in the fight against terrorism prior to 9/11. Indeed, it didn't really cooperate until after bombs blew up in Riyadh. Now, as to this controversy about the Saudi evacuation aircraft, let me tell you everything I know, which is that in the days following 9/11 -- whether it was on 9/12 or 9/15, I can't tell you -- we were in a constant crisis management meeting that had started the morning of 9/11 and ran for days on end. We were making lots of decisions, but we were coordinating them with all the agencies through the video teleconference procedure.
            CLARKE: Someone -- and I wish I could tell you, but I don't know who -- someone brought to that group a proposal that we authorize a request from the Saudi embassy. The Saudi embassy had apparently said that they feared for the lives of Saudi citizens because they thought there would be retribution against Saudis in the United States as it became obvious to Americans that this attack was essentially done by Saudis, and that there were even Saudi citizens in the United States who were part of the bin Laden family, which is a very large family, very large family. The Saudi embassy therefore asked for these people to be evacuated; the same sort of thing that we do all the time in similar crises, evacuating Americans. The request came to me and I refused to approve it. I suggested that it be routed to the FBI and that the FBI look at the names of the individuals who were going to be on the passenger manifest and that they approve it -- or not. I spoke with at that time the number two person in the FBI, Dale Watson, and asked him to deal with this issue. The FBI then approved -- after some period of time, and I can't tell you how long -- approved the flight. Now, what degree of review the FBI did of those names, I cannot tell you. How many people there are on the plane, I cannot tell you. But I have asked since: Were there any individuals on that flight that in retrospect the FBI wishes they could have interviewed in this country. And the answer I've been given is no, that there was no one who left on that flight who the FBI now wants to interview.
            ROEMER: Despite the fact that we don't know if Dale Watson interviewed them in the first place.
            CLARKE: I don't think they were ever interviewed in this country.
            ROEMER: So they were not interviewed here. We have all their names. We don't know if there has been any follow up to interview those people that were here and flown out of the country.
            CLARKE: The last time I asked that question, I was informed that the FBI still had no desire to interview any of these people.
            ROEMER: Would you have a desire to interview some of these people that...
            CLARKE: I don't know who they are.
            ROEMER: We don't know who they are...
            CLARKE: I don't know who they are. The FBI knew who they were because they...
            ROEMER: Given your confidence in your statements on the FBI, what's your level of comfort with this?
            CLARKE: Well, I will tell you in particular about the ones that get the most attention here in the press, and they are members of the bin Laden family.
            CLARKE: I was aware, for some time, that there were members of the bin Laden family living in the United States. And, let's see, in open session I can say that I was very well aware of the members of the bin Laden family and what they were doing in the United States. And the FBI was extraordinarily well aware of what they were doing in the United States. And I was informed by the FBI that none of the members of the bin Laden family, this large clan, were doing anything in this country that was illegal or that raised their suspicions. And I believe the FBI had very good information and good sources of information on what the members of the bin Laden family were doing.
            ROEMER: I've been very impressed with your memory, sitting through all these interviews the 9/11 commission has conducted with you. I press you, again, to try to recall how this request originated. Who might have passed this on to you at the White House situation room? Or who might have originated that request for the United States government to fly out -- how many people in this plane?
            CLARKE: I don't know.
            ROEMER: We don't know how many people were on a plane that flew out of this country. Who gave the final approval, then, to say yes, you're clear to go, it's all right with the United States government to go to Saudi Arabia?
            CLARKE: I believe, after the FBI came back and said it was all right with them, we ran it through the decision process for all of these decisions we were making in those hours, which was the Interagency Crisis Management Group on the video conference. I was making or coordinating a lot of decisions on 9/11 and the days immediately after. And I would love to be able to tell you who did it, who brought this proposal to me, but I don't know. Since you pressed me, the two possibilities that are most likely are either the Department of State, or the White House Chief of Staff's Office. But I don't know.


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            The FBI approved the flight NOT Clarke. Clarke REFUSED to approve. I guess the liberal journalists on the Boston Herald's editorial staff didn't have time to watch Clarke's 9/11 testimony. <_<

            Mr. G

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            • #7
              Good post, Mr. G.

              The guy keeps passing tests thrown at him. Guess that's why Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Dubya liked him so much.
              Dude. Can. Fly.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dvyyyyyy@Mar 27 2004, 10:50 PM
                Good post, Mr. G.

                The guy keeps passing tests thrown at him. Guess that's why Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Dubya liked him so much.
                This guy keeps passing all the tests? yeah, except for the ones he's failed. Give me a break.
                "Need some wood?" -- George W. Bush, October 8, 2004

                "Historians will judge if this war is just, not your punk ass." -- Dave Glover, December 8, 2004

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                • #9
                  What part of Mr. G's post are you struggling with?
                  Dude. Can. Fly.

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                  • #10
                    Shoot the messenger! Right, Karl?
                    Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

                    "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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                    • #11
                      Dick2 = Dumbass
                      And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

                      -The Artist formerly known as King in KC

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dvyyyyyy@Mar 28 2004, 01:32 AM
                        What part of Mr. G's post are you struggling with?
                        If you're talking to me, I never said I had a problem with Mr. G's post. Nor did I try to refute it. I was disputing your post.

                        Shoot the messenger! Right, Karl?
                        Am I the only one who has trouble seeing the relavence of Nick2's one-liners?
                        "Need some wood?" -- George W. Bush, October 8, 2004

                        "Historians will judge if this war is just, not your punk ass." -- Dave Glover, December 8, 2004

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                        • #13
                          Clarke's got an 'agenda' and it's called 'Can you tell that I'm full of shit?"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DaLode@Mar 28 2004, 09:40 PM
                            Clarke's got an 'agenda' and it's called 'Can you tell that I'm full of shit?"
                            Which is obvious by the fact that--everything he says is true and the Republican efforts to slander him have failed.

                            Hm.

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                            • #15
                              CLARKE SAYS VOTED FOR GORE:

                              [MEET THE PRESS]

                              RUSSERT: Did you vote for George Bush in 2000?

                              CLARKE: No, I did not.

                              RUSSERT: You voted for Al Gore?

                              CLARKE: Yes, I did.
                              And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

                              -The Artist formerly known as King in KC

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