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    Neither Silent Nor a Public Witness
    Presidential Adviser Rice Becomes a 9/11 Focal Point as Contradictions Appear
    By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Friday, March 26, 2004; Page A08

    This week's testimony and media blitz by former White House counterterrorism chief Richard A. Clarke has returned unwanted attention to his former boss, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

    The refusal by President Bush's top security aide to testify publicly before the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks elicited rebukes by commission members as they held public hearings without her this week. Thomas H. Kean ®, the former New Jersey governor Bush named to be chairman of the commission, observed: "I think this administration shot itself in the foot by not letting her testify in public."
    At the same time, some of Rice's rebuttals of Clarke's broadside against Bush, which she delivered in a flurry of media interviews and statements rather than in testimony, contradicted other administration officials and her own previous statements.

    Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage contradicted Rice's claim that the White House had a strategy before 9/11 for military operations against al Qaeda and the Taliban; the CIA contradicted Rice's earlier assertion that Bush had requested a CIA briefing in the summer of 2001 because of elevated terrorist threats; and Rice's assertion this week that Bush told her on Sept. 16, 2001, that "Iraq is to the side" appeared to be contradicted by an order signed by Bush on Sept. 17 directing the Pentagon to begin planning military options for an invasion of Iraq.

    Rice, in turn, has contradicted Vice President Cheney's assertion that Clarke was "out of the loop" and his intimation that Clarke had been demoted. Rice has also given various conflicting accounts. She criticized Clarke for being the architect of failed Clinton administration policies, but also said she retained Clarke so the Bush administration could continue to pursue Clinton's terrorism policies.


    National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack defended many of Rice's assertions, saying that she has been more consistent than Clarke.

    This is not the first time in her tenure that Rice has been questioned over disputed national security claims by the administration. Making the case about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction in September 2002, she said that aluminum tubes the United States intercepted on their way to Iraq were "only suited for nuclear weapons programs." But at the time, the U.S. intelligence community was split over the use of the tubes, and today the majority view is that the tubes were for antiaircraft rockets.

    Rice so far has refused to provide testimony under oath to the commission that could possibly resolve the contradictions. On Wednesday night, she told reporters, "I would like nothing better in a sense than to be able to go up and do this, but I have a responsibility to maintain what is a long-standing constitutional separation between the executive and the legislative branch."

    Other presidential aides have waived their immunity; President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, did, as did President Bill Clinton's national security adviser, Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger. McCormack said the comparisons are not applicable because Berger did not testify in public about policy matters.

    The White House, reacting to the public relations difficulties caused by the refusal to allow Rice's testimony, yesterday asked the commission to give Rice another opportunity to speak privately with panel members to address "mischaracterizations of Dr. Rice's statements and positions."

    Democratic commission member Richard Ben-Veniste disclosed this week that Rice had asked, in her private meetings with the commission, to revise a statement she made publicly that "I don't think anybody could have predicted that those people could have taken an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center . . . that they would try to use an airplane as a missile." Rice told the commission that she misspoke; the commission has received information that prior to Sept. 11, U.S. intelligence agencies and Clarke had talked about terrorists using airplanes as missiles.

    In an op-ed published Monday in The Washington Post, Rice wrote that "through the spring and summer of 2001, the national security team developed a strategy to eliminate al Qaeda" that included "sufficient military options to remove the Taliban regime" including the use of ground forces. But Armitage, testifying this week as the White House representative, said the military part was not in the plan before Sept. 11. "I think that was amended after the horror of 9/11," he said. McCormack said Rice's statement is accurate because the team discussed including orders for such military plans to be drawn up.

    In the same article, Rice belittled Clarke's proposals by writing: "The president wanted more than a laundry list of ideas simply to contain al Qaeda or 'roll back' the threat. Once in office, we quickly began crafting a comprehensive new strategy to 'eliminate' the al Qaeda network." Rice asserted that while Clarke and others provided ideas, "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration." That same day, she said most of Clarke's ideas "had been already tried or rejected in the Clinton administration."

    But in her interview with NBC two days later, Rice appeared to take a different view of Clarke's proposals. "He sent us a set of ideas that would perhaps help to roll back al Qaeda over a three- to five-year period; we acted on those ideas very quickly. And what's very interesting is that . . . Dick Clarke now says that we ignored his ideas or we didn't follow them up."

    Asked about this apparent discrepancy, McCormack pointed a reporter to a Clarke background briefing in 2002 in which the then-White House aide was defending the president's efforts in fighting terrorism.

    Similarly, Rice implicitly criticized Clarke on CNN on Monday, saying that "he was the counterterrorism czar for a period of the '90s when al Qaeda was strengthening and when the plots that ended up September 11 were being hatched." But in a White House briefing two days later, she said she kept Clarke on the job because "I wanted somebody experienced in that area precisely to carry on the Clinton administration policy." McCormack said Clarke was kept on for continuity.

    Among the most serious discrepancies in Rice's claims to emerge this week is about a briefing on terrorism Bush received on Aug. 6, 2001.

    Rice had said on May 12, 2002, that the briefing was produced because Bush had asked about dangers of al Qaeda attacking the United States. But at the commission hearing, Ben-Veniste said that the CIA informed the 9/11 panel last week that the author of the briefing does not recall such a request from Bush and that the idea to compile the briefing came from within the CIA.

    McCormack said that when the CIA briefer presented the paper, he said it was in response to the president's questions.
    Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

    "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

  • #2
    Fucking political threads on No Politics Friday!

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    • #3
      She has asked to go back and "CLARIFY" some things.
      Again in private NOT under oath.

      Does anyone remember how pissy the other side got when anyone from Clinton's administration didn't go before a senate or congressional committee?

      Hmmmmmm..... hypocrisy again?


      (if someone fucking posts em, I gotta join em)
      Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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      • #4
        No politics Friday. Now that's funny! The right wing just can't take the heat, or for that matter, can't handle the truth.

        These guys are, indeed, hypocrites!



        Am I right, Dubya?
        Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

        "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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        • #5
          FUCK THIS SHIT!!!!


          You pansy ass, motherfucker.
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          • #6
            Zezel,

            You saw the title of the thread.

            You chose to open it. Key Word: CHOSE.

            No one put a gun to your head and forced you to open it.
            Make America Great For Once.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by nick2@Mar 26 2004, 08:30 AM
              The right wing just can't take the heat, or for that matter, can't handle the truth.

              These guys are, indeed, hypocrites!


              Who proposed this idea?
              When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Kev@Mar 26 2004, 09:34 AM
                Zezel,

                You saw the title of the thread.

                You chose to open it. Key Word: CHOSE.

                No one put a gun to your head and forced you to open it.
                I tried that too.

                "hey it's like TV, you don't have to watch that channel if you don't want to"

                Didn't work
                Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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                • #9
                  Who proposed this idea?
                  Certainly not a right winger.

                  Now, defend Condoleeeeeeeeeeeezza, if you can ... ... ...
                  Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

                  "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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                  • #10
                    Wouldn't you think, sooner or later, Rice would realize she should drop the shovel and stop digging? B)


                    Mr. G

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                    • #11
                      Wouldn't you think, sooner or later, Rice would realize she should drop the shovel and stop digging?
                      IMO, Condoleeeeeeeeeeeeeezza isn't smart enough to realize that!
                      Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

                      "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by nick2@Mar 26 2004, 08:52 AM
                        Who proposed this idea?
                        Certainly not a right winger.

                        Now, defend Condoleeeeeeeeeeeezza, if you can ... ... ...
                        That's right -- it was dvyyyyyy.
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                        • #13
                          >> Who proposed this idea?<<

                          >>Certainly not a right winger.

                          Now, defend Condoleeeeeeeeeeeezza, if you can ... .<<

                          That's right -- it was dvyyyyyy.
                          What is also right is that no one is defending Condleeeeeeezza!
                          Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

                          "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by nick2@Mar 26 2004, 08:30 AM
                            No politics Friday. Now that's funny! The right wing just can't take the heat, or for that matter, can't handle the truth.

                            These guys are, indeed, hypocrites!



                            Am I right, Dubya?
                            Iowa Card and I are far from right-wingers.

                            See you tomorrow!
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                            • #15
                              I sleep really well at night knowing that this dumb bitch is our "national security advisor"
                              “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

                              Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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