Saudi antiterrorism efforts much improved

[lazydaze]

Top U.S. counterterrorism officials told a congressional panel on Wednesday that Saudi Arabia has demonstrated a turnaround in cooperating with U.S.-led efforts to stem the flow of financial support to terrorist organizations.

Thought this was interesting snippet. I did hear some of it yesterday, but not the whole account.

140 Saudi citizens to fly out of the United States in the immediate aftermath of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, when the nation's airports were still closed down.  Clarke said he signed off on granting the special flight by the Saudi nationals, but only after the FBI had approved the flight list.

[Moe_Szyslak]

Thank god we invaded Iraq.

[lazydaze]

and Afghanistan

[Moe_Szyslak]

Originally posted by lazydaze@Mar 25 2004, 11:43 AM
and Afghanistan

Afghanistan (Taliban) and al Queda were one.

[lazydaze]

How many hijackers were Afghani?

The taliban and Al-Qaeda were not one. Not even close.

ALl camps were empty whenwe got there. Must mean they were never there. OBL? Didn't find him. Must not have been there.

That poor regime of Afghanistan, subject to the imperialism of the US. With faulty intelligence even.

[Moe_Szyslak]

[Moe_Szyslak]

Originally posted by lazydaze@Mar 25 2004, 11:50 AM
How many hijackers were Afghani?

The taliban and Al-Qaeda were not one. Not even close.

ALl camps were empty whenwe got there. Must mean they were never there. OBL? Didn't find him. Must not have been there.

That poor regime of Afghanistan, subject to the imperialism of the US. With faulty intelligence even.

no connection, eh???

from terroristfiles.org archives...

on al Queda...

Description

Established by Usama Bin Ladin in the late 1980s to bring together Arabs who fought in Afghanistan against the Soviet invasion. Helped finance, recruit, transport, and train Sunni Islamic extremists for the Afghan resistance. Current goal is to establish a pan-Islamic Caliphate throughout the world by working with allied Islamic extremist groups to overthrow regimes it deems "non-Islamic" and expelling Westerners and non-Muslims from Muslim countries. Issued statement under banner of "the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders" in February 1998, saying it was the duty of all Muslims to kill US citizens--civilian or military--and their allies everywhere.

Location/Area of Operation
Al-Qaida has a worldwide reach, has cells in a number of countries, and is reinforced by its ties to Sunni extremist networks. Bin Ladin and his key lieutenants reside in Afghanistan, and the group maintains terrorist training camps there.


Afghanistan Terrorism profile

Islamic extremists from around the world--including North America, Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and Central, South, and Southeast Asia--continue to use Afghanistan as a training ground and base of operations for their worldwide terrorist activities. The Taliban, which controll most Afghan territory, permit the operation of training and indoctrination facilities for non-Afghans and provide logistics support to members of various terrorist organizations and mujahidin, including those waging jihads (holy wars) in Central Asia, Chechnya, and Kashmir.

Throughout 1999-2001 the Taliban continue to host Usama Bin Ladin --indicted in November 1998 for the bombings of two US Embassies in East Africa-- despite UN sanctions and international pressure to hand him over to stand trial in the United States or a third country. In a serious and ongoing dialogue with the Taliban, the United States repeatedly made clear to the Taliban that it would be held responsible for any terrorist attacks undertaken by Bin Ladin while he is in its territory.

In October 2000, a terrorist bomb attack against the USS Cole in Aden Harbor, Yemen, killed 17 US sailors and injured scores of others. Although no definitive link has been made to Bin Ladin's organization, Yemeni authorities have determined that some suspects in custody and at large are veterans of Afghan training camps.

In August 2000, Bangladeshi authorities uncovered a bomb plot to assassinate Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina at a public rally. Bangladeshi police maintained that Islamic terrorists trained in Afghanistan planted the bomb.

In early December 1999, Jordanian authorities arrested members of a cell linked to Bin Ladin's al-Qaida organization--some of whom had undergone explosives and weapons training in Afghanistan--who were planning terrorist operations against Western tourists visiting holy sites in Jordan over the millennium holiday.

On 25 December 1999 the Taliban permitted hijacked Indian Airlines flight 814 to land at Qandahar airport after refusing it permission to land the previous day. The hijacking ended on 31 December 1999 when the Indian Government released from prison three individuals linked to Kashmiri militant groups in return for the release of the passengers aboard the aircraft. The hijackers, who had murdered one of the Indian passengers during the course of the incident, were allowed to go free. The Taliban stated that the hijackers, who reportedly are Kashmiri militants, would leave Afghanistan even if they were unable to obtain political asylum from another country. Their whereabouts remained unknown at yearend 1999.

[lazydaze]

misrepresentation Moe.

You said one in the same. They are not one in the same.

Should I dig up all the intelligence about Iraq?

[Moe_Szyslak]

Originally posted by lazydaze@Mar 25 2004, 12:22 PM


You said one in the same. They are not one in the same.

Depends what the meaning of 'is' is, I guess. Nice parse, but I don't think you can climb the mountain ahead of you. Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia were FAR, FAR more complicit in 9/11 than Saddam, yet the administration chose to spend vastly more time and energy in Iraq. To maintain that al Queda and the Taliban were not "married" is ludicrous. Rummy wouldn't dare say such a thing.

Moe

[lazydaze]

the war in iraq wasn't abuot 9/11. It was about "war on terrorism and proliferation"

[Moe_Szyslak]

Originally posted by lazydaze@Mar 25 2004, 12:30 PM
the war in iraq wasn't abuot 9/11. It was about "war on terrorism and proliferation"

Not about 9/11, eh? Wonder why Bush didn't campaign on an invade Iraq platform vs Gore in 2000, then?

You deny the predetermination to go into Iraq...then you state 9/11 changed everything...then that INTENT was just premise for war...finally that WMD actually did exist - even though there's no evidence...

I'm dizzy from trying to keep up, lazy.

[lazydaze]

Iraq was on the agenda. you have benn saying that for ever moe.

Good lord.

Iraq wasn't about involvment in 9/11, it was about the lesson learned from not addressing perceived threats.

How much more ignorant can you be.

[lazydaze]

Originally posted by Moe_Szyslak+Mar 25 2004, 11:35 AM-->

QUOTE (Moe_Szyslak @ Mar 25 2004, 11:35 AM)

Moe_Szyslak Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 11484 Share Tweet #14 03-25-2004, 11:40 AM Originally posted by lazydaze@Mar 25 2004, 12:38 PM Iraq was on the agenda. you have benn saying that for ever moe. Good lord. Iraq wasn't about involvment in 9/11, it was about the lesson learned from not addressing perceived threats. How much more ignorant can you be. We kicked Saddam's ass in 91 and bankrupted his country in the intervening decade. Bush's own Secy of State said he was not even a threat to his neighbors in early 2001. Yet, you paint him as Hitler rolling through Europe. I'm ignorant??? The Dude abides. Comment Post Cancel lazydaze Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 34777 Share Tweet #15 03-25-2004, 11:43 AM I never painted him as Hitler rolling through Europe. It is too late by that time. Have you not learned that. That may be your qualifier for action. Not mine. Mine is a sworn enemy with a crumbling economy that has a history of aggression against the US and its Allies. Assisination attempts, etc.. Throw in terrorism both funding and sanctuary, and the WMD angle, either stockpiles or proliferation. I say put 'em on alert. Give 'em a chance to come clean. IF they don't in a timely and verifiable manner, take 'em the fuck out. Un-Official Sponsor of Randy Choate and Kevin Siegrist Comment Post Cancel Previous 1 2 template Next English (US) Deutsch (Du) English (US) French Spanish Help Contact Us Go to top Copyright © 2003-13, TippingPitchers.com Powered by vBulletin® Version 5.7.4 Copyright © 2023 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. All times are GMT-6. This page was generated at 07:40 AM. Working... Yes No OK OK Cancel X

[Moe_Szyslak]

Originally posted by lazydaze@Mar 25 2004, 12:38 PM
Iraq was on the agenda. you have benn saying that for ever moe.

Good lord.

Iraq wasn't about involvment in 9/11, it was about the lesson learned from not addressing perceived threats.

How much more ignorant can you be.

We kicked Saddam's ass in 91 and bankrupted his country in the intervening decade. Bush's own Secy of State said he was not even a threat to his neighbors in early 2001. Yet, you paint him as Hitler rolling through Europe.

I'm ignorant???

[lazydaze]

I never painted him as Hitler rolling through Europe. It is too late by that time. Have you not learned that.

That may be your qualifier for action. Not mine.

Mine is a sworn enemy with a crumbling economy that has a history of aggression against the US and its Allies. Assisination attempts, etc..

Throw in terrorism both funding and sanctuary, and the WMD angle, either stockpiles or proliferation.

I say put 'em on alert. Give 'em a chance to come clean. IF they don't in a timely and verifiable manner, take 'em the fuck out.