Rob Neyer takes shot at the PD's Dan O' Neill

[Fishbone]

Neyer's Article

It's at the very end of the article.

[WinstonSmith]

I am convinced that Rob Neyer would play Monica Lewinsky to Billy Beane's Billy Clinton.

I have never, ever, in my entire life seen such blatant wanton lust for another individual through the media.

[Fishbone]

Originally posted by WinstonSmith@Mar 24 2004, 06:49 PM
I am convinced that Rob Neyer would play Monica Lewinsky to Billy Beane's Billy Clinton.

I have never, ever, in my entire life seen such blatant wanton lust for another individual through the media.

WS,
You are right, it's over the top at times. But I believe it is partially in response to the other writers like O'Neill who hold sabermetrics and a new line of thinking in such contempt. Neyer has taken his share of undeserved shots from the NY media and other outlets, but he has been instrumental in the public knowing what OPS is and taught us to value the importance of OBP and the like.

[007]

Originally posted by Fishbone@Mar 24 2004, 05:47 PM
Neyer's Article

It's at the very end of the article.

well, he's right...Neyer that is...

[SLUBLUE]

still...O'Neill is a douche bag

[Fishbone]

Originally posted by SLUBLUE@Mar 24 2004, 06:54 PM
still...O'Neill is a douche bag

There is that too. O' Neill is a poor man's Jeff Gordon; make of that whatever you wish, but I think that puts him lower than Mike Smith on the totem pole

[007]

Originally posted by SLUBLUE@Mar 24 2004, 05:54 PM
still...O'Neill is a douche bag

He occasionally writes a good piece when he's not trying to fit in the "Lowry, Bassie, Sudsy: Skate, Boys, Skate" line...

[WinstonSmith]

I think the truth lies somewhere between Neyer's love for Beane and O'Neil's disgust.

Neyer is an ok writer, quite good actually, but what I hate is his affection for Beane.

I can only make innuendo about Neyer wanting to suck him off so many times. But my point remains.

At least half of his columns involve Beaner and he mentions him or "his" theory in virtually each of them.

For that reason, I can't stand him.

He's also a smug sonofabitch.

But, he's a good writer. I just try to avoid him.

[WinstonSmith]

Originally posted by Fishbone+Mar 24 2004, 05:57 PM-->

QUOTE (Fishbone @ Mar 24 2004, 05:57 PM)

007 With you or at you? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 114063 Share Tweet #10 03-24-2004, 05:00 PM Originally posted by WinstonSmith@Mar 24 2004, 05:58 PM I think the truth lies somewhere between Neyer's love for Beane and O'Neil's disgust. Neyer is an ok writer, quite good actually, but what I hate is his affection for Beane. I can only make innuendo about Neyer wanting to suck him off so many times. But my point remains. At least half of his columns involve Beaner and he mentions him or "his" theory in virtually each of them. For that reason, I can't stand him. He's also a smug sonofabitch. But, he's a good writer. I just try to avoid him. Neyer's speciality is Sabremetrics....what do you expect him to write? "Can't buy what I want because it's free... Can't buy what I want because it's free..." -- Pearl Jam, from the single Corduroy Comment Post Cancel kah2523 Share Tweet #11 03-24-2004, 05:02 PM Neyer does seem to have a case of hot sweaty man-love for Beane. As I'm sure I've repeated too often, to suggest that the general manager of a franchise has nothing to do with the success of that franchise's young pitchers is truly preposterous. Neyer deliberately misses the point, which was that Beane's endlessly hyped "Moneyball" strategy is not the way the Athletics have won, and, if Oakland's offensive numbers for the last season are examined, haven't even worked. Oakland was a very poor team offensively last season. But instead of doing a little homework and finding Beane's real screw-ups, his detractors essentially blame him for drafting, developing, and keeping healthy three great pitchers. What nonsense. You know, I've met nearly every baseball executive who this guy's talking about, and I can tell you with absolute confidence that not one of them believes he can run his organization without help from guys with calluses and tobacco stains. Beane is on record as stating he'd just as soon do away with his scouts, so I guess Neyer is deliberately lying here. Comment Post Cancel WinstonSmith Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10553 Share Tweet #12 03-24-2004, 05:05 PM Originally posted by 007@Mar 24 2004, 06:00 PM Neyer's speciality is Sabremetrics....what do you expect him to write? Can't he talk about numbers without mentioning Beane every sentence? Nevermind. I hate Neyer; I think he's a "poofer" as Wang would say, but maybe only in regard to Beanie. By the way, I read Moneyball and loved it. I like the theory -- in theory -- but I"m not completely convinced of its use in practical terms yet. Win me a WS, Oakland, Boston, Toronto, and *maybe* I'll be convinced. But, FLA did it essentially the opposite way and won, so who knows. When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night." Comment Post Cancel kah2523 Share Tweet #13 03-24-2004, 05:08 PM Originally posted by WinstonSmith+Mar 24 2004, 06:05 PM--> QUOTE (WinstonSmith @ Mar 24 2004, 06:05 PM) 007 With you or at you? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 114063 Share Tweet #14 03-24-2004, 05:11 PM Originally posted by WinstonSmith@Mar 24 2004, 06:05 PM Can't he talk about numbers without mentioning Beane every sentence? Well, considering that Beane is the trail blazer when it comes to using it in a GM capacity, he uses him to cite... However, he's also got Epstein in BOS, too...I can see your point, though... "Can't buy what I want because it's free... Can't buy what I want because it's free..." -- Pearl Jam, from the single Corduroy Comment Post Cancel Fishbone Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9374 Share Tweet #15 03-24-2004, 05:11 PM Originally posted by kah2523@Mar 24 2004, 07:02 PM Neyer does seem to have a case of hot sweaty man-love for Beane. As I'm sure I've repeated too often, to suggest that the general manager of a franchise has nothing to do with the success of that franchise's young pitchers is truly preposterous. Neyer deliberately misses the point, which was that Beane's endlessly hyped "Moneyball" strategy is not the way the Athletics have won, and, if Oakland's offensive numbers for the last season are examined, haven't even worked. Oakland was a very poor team offensively last season. But instead of doing a little homework and finding Beane's real screw-ups, his detractors essentially blame him for drafting, developing, and keeping healthy three great pitchers. What nonsense. You know, I've met nearly every baseball executive who this guy's talking about, and I can tell you with absolute confidence that not one of them believes he can run his organization without help from guys with calluses and tobacco stains. Beane is on record as stating he'd just as soon do away with his scouts, so I guess Neyer is deliberately lying here. Kah, out of curiosity have you read "Moneyball"? Oakland's offense sputtered last season because they had the wrong players, not the wrong system. You can chalk that up to some foolish spending on Beane's part -i.e. Jermaine Dye and to an extent Scott HAtteberg. I think you will agree that a high OBP is certainly a good strategy to have when you form your lineup. Even TLR is coming around on this. But instead of doing a little homework and finding Beane's real screw-ups, his detractors essentially blame him for drafting, developing, and keeping healthy three great pitchers As for this, Beane's system did get them these three pitchers. They go for college talent, and these three pitchers which formed the cornerstone of their success was due to their draft strategy. Zito was taken ahead of numerous high school prodigies who flamed out, I believe. As far as the part about getting rid of his scouts, I think it was intended hyperbole. At most, he was referring to scouting college players, not advanced scouts for other teams. Comment Post Cancel Previous 1 2 3 template Next English (US) Deutsch (Du) English (US) French Spanish Help Contact Us Go to top Copyright © 2003-13, TippingPitchers.com Powered by vBulletin® Version 5.7.4 Copyright © 2023 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. All times are GMT-6. This page was generated at 05:12 AM. Working... Yes No OK OK Cancel X

[007]

Originally posted by WinstonSmith@Mar 24 2004, 05:58 PM
I think the truth lies somewhere between Neyer's love for Beane and O'Neil's disgust.

Neyer is an ok writer, quite good actually, but what I hate is his affection for Beane.

I can only make innuendo about Neyer wanting to suck him off so many times. But my point remains.

At least half of his columns involve Beaner and he mentions him or "his" theory in virtually each of them.

For that reason, I can't stand him.

He's also a smug sonofabitch.

But, he's a good writer. I just try to avoid him.

Neyer's speciality is Sabremetrics....what do you expect him to write?

[kah2523]

Neyer does seem to have a case of hot sweaty man-love for Beane.

As I'm sure I've repeated too often, to suggest that the general manager of a franchise has nothing to do with the success of that franchise's young pitchers is truly preposterous.

Neyer deliberately misses the point, which was that Beane's endlessly hyped "Moneyball" strategy is not the way the Athletics have won, and, if Oakland's offensive numbers for the last season are examined, haven't even worked. Oakland was a very poor team offensively last season.

But instead of doing a little homework and finding Beane's real screw-ups, his detractors essentially blame him for drafting, developing, and keeping healthy three great pitchers.

What nonsense.

You know, I've met nearly every baseball executive who this guy's talking about, and I can tell you with absolute confidence that not one of them believes he can run his organization without help from guys with calluses and tobacco stains.

Beane is on record as stating he'd just as soon do away with his scouts, so I guess Neyer is deliberately lying here.

[WinstonSmith]

Originally posted by 007@Mar 24 2004, 06:00 PM
Neyer's speciality is Sabremetrics....what do you expect him to write?

Can't he talk about numbers without mentioning Beane every sentence?

Nevermind. I hate Neyer; I think he's a "poofer" as Wang would say, but maybe only in regard to Beanie.

By the way, I read Moneyball and loved it. I like the theory -- in theory -- but I"m not completely convinced of its use in practical terms yet.

Win me a WS, Oakland, Boston, Toronto, and *maybe* I'll be convinced.

But, FLA did it essentially the opposite way and won, so who knows.

[kah2523]

Originally posted by WinstonSmith+Mar 24 2004, 06:05 PM-->

QUOTE (WinstonSmith @ Mar 24 2004, 06:05 PM)

007 With you or at you? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 114063 Share Tweet #14 03-24-2004, 05:11 PM Originally posted by WinstonSmith@Mar 24 2004, 06:05 PM Can't he talk about numbers without mentioning Beane every sentence? Well, considering that Beane is the trail blazer when it comes to using it in a GM capacity, he uses him to cite... However, he's also got Epstein in BOS, too...I can see your point, though... "Can't buy what I want because it's free... Can't buy what I want because it's free..." -- Pearl Jam, from the single Corduroy Comment Post Cancel Fishbone Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9374 Share Tweet #15 03-24-2004, 05:11 PM Originally posted by kah2523@Mar 24 2004, 07:02 PM Neyer does seem to have a case of hot sweaty man-love for Beane. As I'm sure I've repeated too often, to suggest that the general manager of a franchise has nothing to do with the success of that franchise's young pitchers is truly preposterous. Neyer deliberately misses the point, which was that Beane's endlessly hyped "Moneyball" strategy is not the way the Athletics have won, and, if Oakland's offensive numbers for the last season are examined, haven't even worked. Oakland was a very poor team offensively last season. But instead of doing a little homework and finding Beane's real screw-ups, his detractors essentially blame him for drafting, developing, and keeping healthy three great pitchers. What nonsense. You know, I've met nearly every baseball executive who this guy's talking about, and I can tell you with absolute confidence that not one of them believes he can run his organization without help from guys with calluses and tobacco stains. Beane is on record as stating he'd just as soon do away with his scouts, so I guess Neyer is deliberately lying here. Kah, out of curiosity have you read "Moneyball"? Oakland's offense sputtered last season because they had the wrong players, not the wrong system. You can chalk that up to some foolish spending on Beane's part -i.e. Jermaine Dye and to an extent Scott HAtteberg. I think you will agree that a high OBP is certainly a good strategy to have when you form your lineup. Even TLR is coming around on this. But instead of doing a little homework and finding Beane's real screw-ups, his detractors essentially blame him for drafting, developing, and keeping healthy three great pitchers As for this, Beane's system did get them these three pitchers. They go for college talent, and these three pitchers which formed the cornerstone of their success was due to their draft strategy. Zito was taken ahead of numerous high school prodigies who flamed out, I believe. As far as the part about getting rid of his scouts, I think it was intended hyperbole. At most, he was referring to scouting college players, not advanced scouts for other teams. Comment Post Cancel Previous 1 2 3 template Next English (US) Deutsch (Du) English (US) French Spanish Help Contact Us Go to top Copyright © 2003-13, TippingPitchers.com Powered by vBulletin® Version 5.7.4 Copyright © 2023 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. All times are GMT-6. This page was generated at 05:12 AM. Working... Yes No OK OK Cancel X

[007]

Originally posted by WinstonSmith@Mar 24 2004, 06:05 PM
Can't he talk about numbers without mentioning Beane every sentence?

Well, considering that Beane is the trail blazer when it comes to using it in a GM capacity, he uses him to cite...

However, he's also got Epstein in BOS, too...I can see your point, though...

[Fishbone]

Originally posted by kah2523@Mar 24 2004, 07:02 PM
Neyer does seem to have a case of hot sweaty man-love for Beane.

As I'm sure I've repeated too often, to suggest that the general manager of a franchise has nothing to do with the success of that franchise's young pitchers is truly preposterous.

Neyer deliberately misses the point, which was that Beane's endlessly hyped "Moneyball" strategy is not the way the Athletics have won, and, if Oakland's offensive numbers for the last season are examined, haven't even worked. Oakland was a very poor team offensively last season.

But instead of doing a little homework and finding Beane's real screw-ups, his detractors essentially blame him for drafting, developing, and keeping healthy three great pitchers.

What nonsense.

You know, I've met nearly every baseball executive who this guy's talking about, and I can tell you with absolute confidence that not one of them believes he can run his organization without help from guys with calluses and tobacco stains.

Beane is on record as stating he'd just as soon do away with his scouts, so I guess Neyer is deliberately lying here.

Kah, out of curiosity have you read "Moneyball"?

Oakland's offense sputtered last season because they had the wrong players, not the wrong system. You can chalk that up to some foolish spending on Beane's part -i.e. Jermaine Dye and to an extent Scott HAtteberg. I think you will agree that a high OBP is certainly a good strategy to have when you form your lineup. Even TLR is coming around on this.

But instead of doing a little homework and finding Beane's real screw-ups, his detractors essentially blame him for drafting, developing, and keeping healthy three great pitchers

As for this, Beane's system did get them these three pitchers. They go for college talent, and these three pitchers which formed the cornerstone of their success was due to their draft strategy. Zito was taken ahead of numerous high school prodigies who flamed out, I believe.

As far as the part about getting rid of his scouts, I think it was intended hyperbole. At most, he was referring to scouting college players, not advanced scouts for other teams.