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    Very interesting. Check out the full article, excerpted below. If this turns out to be the case, would it dent Bush's "popularity"?

    http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking-ne...te=200431401040

    Stringent military screening program may explain gaps on president's record

    Bill Morlin and Karen Dorn Steele
    Staff writers

    Military rules used in 1974 to ground two Washington Air National Guard airmen with access to nuclear weapons also applied to a Texas Air National Guard unit where Lt. George W. Bush was a fighter pilot.

    Some military researchers and a former Texas Guard lieutenant colonel believe the stringent regulations -- known as the Human Reliability Program -- may have been invoked to stop Bush from flying Texas Air National Guard jets in 1972.

    Bush's military service more than 30 years ago during the Vietnam War has been an issue since his first campaign for president. More recently, some researchers and national media outlets have been investigating the period from May 1, 1972, to April 1, 1973, when Bush left his unit in Texas and moved to Alabama.

    Bush's military records from that period are spotty, and have led some to suggest he was avoiding his Guard obligations.

    The Boston Globe, on the forefront of the issue, reported Feb. 12 that Bush's acknowledged 1972 suspension from flight status for failing to take a required physical should have generated an investigation and subsequent trail of documents, which have not been found.

    To address critics, the White House released Bush's military records in mid-February, asserting he left his Texas Air National Guard squadron two years before the end of his enlistment because he was no longer needed to fly jets.

    But if the human reliability rules were invoked, as they were in thousands of other cases, Bush may not have voluntarily stopped flying.

    There is no mention of the Human Reliability Program in the documents released by the White House.

    The White House documents do show that Bush's military job description, called an Air Force Specialty Code, or AFSC, was listed as ‘‘1125D, pilot, fighter interceptor.”

    Bush's pilot code was among those covered by Air Force Regulation 35-99, a previously undisclosed document recently obtained by The Spokesman-Review. Regulation 35-99 contains an extensive explanation of the Human Reliability Program.

    Human reliability regulations were used to screen military personnel for their mental, physical and emotional fitness before granting them access to nuclear weapons and delivery systems.

    Under the rules, pilots could be removed immediately from the cockpit for HRP issues, which happened in the 1974 Washington Air National Guard case. The two Washington airmen were suspended on suspicion of drug use, but eventually received honorable discharges.
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    Trig:

    There doesn't appear to be anything to this story -- or should I say "non-story".

    But to answer your question, I think it could prove to be a problem for Bush. If he was screened out for drug use, it would be hard to imagine that he would have forgotten an event like that. In other words, he should have revealed this fact long ago.

    But you know, he survived the DWI thing right before the election, so it may not have that big of impact after all.

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    • #3
      aaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww........... SNAP
      Are you on the list?

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      • #4
        Yet another example of "throw enough shit on the wall" theory............

        Let us know when they find something Trig............
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        • #5
          Originally posted by FAR52@Mar 15 2004, 11:17 AM
          Trig:

          There doesn't appear to be anything to this story -- or should I say "non-story".

          But to answer your question, I think it could prove to be a problem for Bush. If he was screened out for drug use, it would be hard to imagine that he would have forgotten an event like that. In other words, he should have revealed this fact long ago.

          But you know, he survived the DWI thing right before the election, so it may not have that big of impact after all.

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          If he was screened out because of drug use, there is probably a good reason he doesnt' remember:
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          • #6
            I agree - the authors haven't found any thing to back up the theory, but they aren't claiming it's true either. They're merely suggesting a plausible explanation for all of the confusion and secrecy.

            I have a feeling that somethings going to break on this story before the election. The way that Bush is pissing off so many veterans and military families, I don't think it will be long before someone squeals on him. Should be interesting.
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            • #7
              hey, i have no problem with this story on the fringe...you guys couldn't get enough Kerry/intern rumors.
              Are you on the list?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SLUBLUE@Mar 15 2004, 11:21 AM
                hey, i have no problem with this story on the fringe...you guys couldn't get enough Kerry/intern rumors.
                But this is just "throwing shit at the wall" That was entertainment because I agreed with it.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BringBackZezel+Mar 15 2004, 11:19 AM-->
                  QUOTE (BringBackZezel @ Mar 15 2004, 11:19 AM)

                • #10
                  Originally posted by davel@Mar 15 2004, 11:18 AM
                  Yet another example of "throw enough shit on the wall" theory............

                  Let us know when they find something Trig............
                  Unlike the Kerry "affair with an intern" shit, maybe this shit will end up sticking on the wall if it turns out to be true.
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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by davhaf+Mar 15 2004, 11:23 AM-->
                    QUOTE (davhaf @ Mar 15 2004, 11:23 AM)
                    Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 11:19 AM

                  • #12
                    BBZ:

                    Nice spin.

                    Trig:

                    Bush has faced this National Guard issue since his days as a governor. If there was anything to squeal about, I think it would have come out by now.

                    Just my opinion.

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                    • #13
                      Originally posted by BringBackZezel+Mar 15 2004, 11:25 AM-->
                      QUOTE (BringBackZezel @ Mar 15 2004, 11:25 AM)
                      Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 11:23 AM
                      Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 11:19 AM

                    • #14
                      Originally posted by FAR52@Mar 15 2004, 11:25 AM
                      Trig:
                      Bush has faced this National Guard issue since his days as a governor. If there was anything to squeal about, I think it would have come out by now.
                      I don't know. I think he's really testing the loyalty of veterans and others.

                      When the Vet who served on his election campaign last time refused to do so this time because he felt Bush is treating the military poorly, that tells me that their patience is wearing thin with him. If a former supporter decides Kerry would be better, there could be some skeletons left in the closet to release.

                      I have to admit I hope so. We'll see.
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