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    Well, the Centrists, who were leading 2-1 three days ago, just lost 60-40 to the Socialists, mostly on the back of the backlash of the Al Qaeda subway bombings. Amazing political competence by the terrorists; amazing stupidity by the Spanish people. Proof positive that terrorism wins among weak-willed populations. I can't imagine that they really believe themselves to be immune to terrorist attack by giving in like this, but hey, I'm not Spanish.

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    I didn't know that Al Qaeda was running in Spain's elections.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by kah2523@Mar 15 2004, 02:22 AM
      I didn't know that Al Qaeda was running in Spain's elections.
      I fail to see the link between Islamic fundamentalists (ultra-conservatives) and socialism (ultra-liberal) as well...

      "
      Why are the Russians suddenly a problem?" -Bgats

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      • #4
        I would think that the Spanish ruling government, having failed in spectacular fashion to protect its people from terrorism, got its ass kicked in the elections as a result. But that's just me.

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        • #5
          It's obvious that the Spaniards think that they were targeted for supporting the war in Iraq. Now, they've voted for candidates who will not antagonize the Islamo-Fascist world. They've given in to the terrorists.

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          • #6
            I wonder if this new government will be intimidated by the Basques?
            RIP Chris Jones 1971-2009
            You'll never be forgotten.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brentwoodcat@Mar 15 2004, 06:08 AM
              It's obvious that the Spaniards think that they were targeted for supporting the war in Iraq. Now, they've voted for candidates who will not antagonize the Islamo-Fascist world. They've given in to the terrorists.
              Or, they've held their leaders accountable for going after the fake non-threat (Saddam), and, again, utterly failing to protect their people from the real threat (Al Qaeda).

              Also, it bears mentioning that the Iraq war was hugely unpopular in Spain even before the attacks. One of the little secrets that the "liberal" media never mentions is that even in the lesser members of the "coalition of the willing"--Spain, Italy, Poland--the war was opposed by huge majorities of the populace.

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              • #8
                Spain is part of Europe. Are we surprised?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ReggieCleveland@Mar 15 2004, 07:46 AM
                  Spain is part of Europe. Are we surprised?
                  No. But not all of us believe that Europe is always wrong.

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                  • #10
                    Maybe we will have the same result here?
                    Out with the old in with the new?
                    Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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                    • #11
                      The reactions to the tragedies are instructive. Here, it was one of absolute fury. There, it's "Please don't hurt us anymore."

                      There is only one way to deal with terrorists, and this ain't it.

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                      • #12
                        Get ready for the "fear mongers" to tell us how wimpy people are for changing regimes...
                        Make America Great For Once.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Kev@Mar 15 2004, 08:56 AM
                          Get ready for the "fear mongers" to tell us how wimpy people are for changing regimes...
                          Someone just did.
                          Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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                          • #14
                            While the support for the war on Iraq is certainly one of the reasons for the defeat. Aznar and the rightist press have been preceived by the Spanish to have manipulated the bombings for an electoral advantage, by immediately blaming Eta. This caused major repurcussions.

                            I get the impression that people underestimated the anti-Iraq war sentiment in Spain. People in Europe feel that the war in Iraq was unjust. This perception is easy to understand, no WMD have been found, and this is the one reason the invasion would have been supported. People can claim that the Iraqi people are better off and Saddam has gone; however if this were the reason for going to war, a new country would be invaded every week.

                            There are also a miriad of domestic concerns in Spain, one of the poorer countries in Western Europe. 8 years under Aznar had not helped in a lot of these problems, and his successor paid the price.

                            One final point, I failt to see how this is giving in to the terrorists. If Kerry is elected in the Presidential election, are you to expect the world to think the U.S. is weak willed? After 9/11 the U.S. rushed through the patriot act, after the Madrid bombings the Spanish people elected a Socialist government. Which is more likely to infringe on people's rights?

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                            • #15
                              If Kerry is elected in the Presidential election, are you to expect the world to think the U.S. is weak willed
                              No, I'm sure the world will applaud.

                              Half this country will think the U.S. is weak-willed, however.

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