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  • #2
    Good reporting by the writers.

    Thanks for the post, pgrote.
    His mind is not for rent, to any god or government.
    Pointless debate is what we do here -- lvr

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    • #3
      yeah, that is very hypocritical of him

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      • #4
        Is it hypocritical of him when there was absolutely no substantial evidence to support the claims of an alleged sexual assault in his home?

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        • #5
          Is it hypocritical of him when there was absolutely no substantial evidence to support the claims of an alleged sexual assault in his home?
          Nope.
          His mind is not for rent, to any god or government.
          Pointless debate is what we do here -- lvr

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          • #6
            Originally posted by devaskar@Mar 13 2004, 12:02 PM
            Is it hypocritical of him when there was absolutely no substantial evidence to support the claims of an alleged sexual assault in his home?
            Damn Grote, you beat me to it again.

            It's hypocritical because there is absolutely no substantial evidence of Hnida's claim either.
            Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law ~

            A.C.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bombay@Mar 13 2004, 10:05 AM
              It's hypocritical because there is absolutely no substantial evidence of Hnida's claim either.
              Go back and read Reilly's column again. (Here it is for you: Reilly column.) He didn't write the claims of Hnida as if they were fact. He very clearly displays it as Hnida's story, although he does offer up support of some of Hnida's claims through another teammate who is quoted as saying something about her having to endure a lot more from her teammates than she should have had to. He also gives Barnett a chance to refute the claims of Hnida and her father.

              Not until the very end does Reilly offer up his own opinion on the matter. Him breaking Hnida's story--which is exactly what he did--is not in the least bit hypocritical.

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              • #8
                You have to join SI to read the article, so I can't see it. If I remember correctly, he stated the "abuse and mollestation" issues as fact and then talked about the alleged rape.

                What I view as hypocritical is Reilly holding Barnett responsible the on and off campus activities of a hundred guys while he obviously has no control over what happens in his own house. It's pathetic.
                Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law ~

                A.C.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bombay@Mar 13 2004, 10:19 AM
                  What I view as hypocritical is Reilly holding Barnett responsible the on and off campus activities of a hundred guys while he obviously has no control over what happens in his own house. It's pathetic.
                  There's no evidence that anything happened in his house according to both the school board and the DA. There is a LOT of evidence that things happened at Colorado. Hnida being raped is a claim but there is plenty of coroboration that she was abused during practices by her male teammates.

                  Here is the Reilly column for you. Notice how often Reilly qualifies his statement by saying "she says" or something similar, and notice how he explains that Barnett refuted Mr. Hnida's claims:

                  It Only Gets Worse at Colorado


                  If you thought Colorado football recruiting parties were jailbreaks, brace yourself for the allegations made by the only woman ever to play on the team.

                  As a CU placekicker in 1999, Katie Hnida says she endured a kind of sexual hell you can't imagine. After being verbally abused and molested by teammates, Hnida says, she was raped by one of them.

                  An honor-roll student, a homecoming queen and an honorable mention all-county kicker at Littleton (Colo.) Chatfield High, Hnida (NYE-da) had dreamed of booting for Colorado. "Football is what makes me breathe," she says. Then-coach Rick Neuheisel invited her to walk on, she accepted and then he took off, leaving her in new coach Gary Barnett's hands. "None of the players wanted her on the team," Barnett remembers. "Basically we were doing her a favor."

                  On her first day of practice Hnida found out how welcome she was. She says five teammates surrounded her and verbally abused her, making sexually graphic comments. During the season players exposed themselves to her "at least five times," she says. "They'd go, 'Hey, Katie, check this out!'" One player came up from behind, she says, and rubbed his erect penis against her.

                  Sometimes when the entire team was huddled up, Hnida says, players stuck their hands on her crotch or groped her breasts under her shoulder pads. "She endured more abuse than one person should have to bear," former teammate Justin Bates says. Even as she practiced, players called her vulgar names and one fired footballs at her head.

                  Why didn't she tell Barnett? "Because I was terrified," she says. "He didn't want me around in the first place. I thought for sure he'd kick me off [the team]."

                  The worst was yet to come. One summer night Hnida was watching TV at the house of a teammate. "He just starts to kiss me," she recalls. "I told him, 'That's not O.K.' Next thing I know he's on top of me. I told him, 'No!' But he just kept going, 'Shhhhh.' I tried to push him off me, but he outweighed me by 100 pounds." Hnida says he lifted her skirt, pushed aside her panties and penetrated her. She was a virgin. The phone rang, he reached for it, she slipped out from under him and ran.

                  Why didn't she go to the police? "I was so scared of what he might do to me," she says. "And I didn't want a huge media mess. I was already carrying around so much inside me, I was numb."

                  Just before the start of the 2000 season, it was clear that Hnida, sick with tonsillitis, was not going to make the roster. She says she fell into "the darkest of dark places."

                  Worried for his daughter after she had finally told him about some of her hell (but not the rape), Maj. Dave Hnida, an Army surgeon currently stationed in Iraq, went to athletic director Dick Tharp and Barnett about "the cornering, the groping, the name-calling and the football-at-the-head thing," Katie's father says. He got nowhere. "Talking to Barnett was like talking to a wall."

                  Neither Tharp nor Barnett recalls Dave Hnida saying anything about sexual harassment. "If I'd have heard that, I'd have jumped down somebody's throat," Barnett says. "Not one time did I ever see or hear about anybody treating her wrong. I don't believe she was sexually harassed. I don't believe our players would do that. They'd be in too much trouble with me." Barnett says he gave one player a "tongue-lashing" for making a vulgar comment to Katie.

                  She dropped out of CU after her sophomore year. She says she was depressed for two years, suffered from insomnia and gave up kicking. Her dad ached for her. "Barnett went on TV and said how these [recent recruiting party] accusations have hurt his family," Dave Hnida says. "I'll show you a hurt family."

                  Katie went into therapy, enrolled at a junior college and then had the guts to walk on at New Mexico in 2002. Last August she became the first woman to score in Division I football history when she kicked two PATs in the Lobos' 72-8 rout of Texas State-San Marcos.

                  Meanwhile, three other women alleged they were raped by players or recruits at or following a Colorado football recruiting party in 2001 (click here for full story). There have been reports of players hiring strippers for recruits as recently as last month.

                  So why is Hnida, 22, telling her story now? "Because all the news sent me back into that nightmare," she says. "It made me literally sick. I realized that until I tell my story, I can never heal."

                  Hnida isn't suing Colorado or pressing charges against former teammates. "I just want to see changes made there," she says.

                  She also wants a sixth-year exemption from the NCAA, so she can return to the Lobos. "We have 125 great guys on this team, and I haven't had one single incident," Hnida says. "That's because of the standard Coach [Rocky] Long sets here for behavior. There's no b.s."

                  At Colorado they're majoring in b.s. The denials have piled up like cordwood. You show me a coach who maintains he's unaware of recruiting parties featuring paid strippers, of four alleged rapes, of sexual harassment claims by one of his players againstother players, and I'll show you a coach who is hell-bent on not knowing.

                  Makes this alum want to hide his class ring.

                  Issue date: February 23, 2004

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by devaskar@Mar 13 2004, 12:37 PM

                    There's no evidence that anything happened in his house according to both the school board and the DA. There is a LOT of evidence that things happened at Colorado. Hnida being raped is a claim but there is plenty of coroboration that she was abused during practices by her male teammates.

                    I see a LOT of allegations. No charges. No names.

                    Perhaps you can point out the hard *evidence* that you see? And explain why Hnida is more believable than the 14 year old in Reilly's basement? While you're at it, why Reilly doesn't bear responsiblity for activities in his own house while Barnett is responsible for 100 people who don't live with him?
                    Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law ~

                    A.C.

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                    • #11
                      Boulder,

                      If the war against achievement continues (and it most certainly will - as long as the feminazis are indulged in their jihad), how long before you join me on the liberty side of things?

                      We do like the same music afterall.
                      And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

                      -The Artist formerly known as King in KC

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                      • #12
                        I'm all for Liberty, John. I see government interference growing rather than shrinking under the current administration, though, as it did under Clinton. How do you see it?
                        Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law ~

                        A.C.

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                        • #13
                          Once again, there is no evidence that anything happened in Reilly's basement. If the DA or the school board found anything for Reilly to be responsible for, he no doubt would have been.

                          As for Barnett, there are witnesses who at the very least have supported the accusations of the accusers. The guy who ran the stripper company went on national television and radio to say that, yes, he had dispatched strippers to Colorado football parties and that he too believed that the strippers had been raped. These allegations at Colorado have been going on for several years. Barnett certainly should have done something more to try and stop it, like enforcing stricter rules against his players if something happened. There are always going to be a few bad apples when you have that large amount of people involved. For whatever reason, Colorado seems to have more than a few bad apples. It's not just one or two players that have been accused, it has been a bunch of players accused by a bunch of different women. With all of these accusations going around, Barnett most definitely should have warned his players of the consequences if this sort of thing continued.

                          What happened at Reilly's house was a one-time occurrence that no one has any evidence whatsoever to even conclude actually happened. All of the witnesses couldn't even come up with the same story.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by devaskar@Mar 13 2004, 01:01 PM
                            The guy who ran the stripper company went on national television and radio to say that, yes, he had dispatched strippers to Colorado football parties and that he too believed that the strippers had been raped.
                            The part about the strippers claiming rape is strictly bullshit. You made that up. The rest is, once again, allegations. No more credible than the allegation of the girl in Reilly's house. No charges.

                            Do I believe that some of the allegations are probably true? Yes. Do I believe that something happened in Reilly's basement? Yes. He's a hypocrite.
                            Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law ~

                            A.C.

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                            • #15
                              Boulder,

                              I see a bigger threat from the PC crowd.
                              And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

                              -The Artist formerly known as King in KC

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