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    Ohio evolution lesson plan irks science groups

    Critics say the lessons contain elements of a theory called intelligent design, which states a higher power must have been involved in the creation of life.
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    Tell religious people that evolution is because of god and see what they say.
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      gonna regret saying this but . . .

      I rather buy that theory, i do belive in God and don't belive in coincidence

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        It doesn't matter if intelligent design is believable or even if it's true. It's not science. There is no falsifiable premise, therefore no theory, and no possible proof or disproof. No matter how religious you are, it should be clear that intelligent design shouldn't be taught in a science class.

        As for evolution, it is falsifiable, therefore a legit theory. Note that you don't have to agree with it, but it is a theory, which can be tested based on evidence. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching it, no matter what religion the students are - a good science class will actually posit some false theories, to show students the scientific method. When I was in school, I had a text that mentioned LaMarck's theories, which are obviously false, and then used evidence to show how to disprove them. That is what science is all about.

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          It doesn't matter if intelligent design is believable or even if it's true. It's not science. There is no falsifiable premise, therefore no theory, and no possible proof or disproof. No matter how religious you are, it should be clear that intelligent design shouldn't be taught in a science class.
          Damn right
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            Originally posted by madyaks@Mar 11 2004, 11:04 AM
            It doesn't matter if intelligent design is believable or even if it's true. It's not science. There is no falsifiable premise, therefore no theory, and no possible proof or disproof. No matter how religious you are, it should be clear that intelligent design shouldn't be taught in a science class.
            Damn right
            Why do evolutionists care? If the theory of creation is teached as well as the theory of evolution, why do you even care? Both are theories.

            I guess you would rather indoctrinate the kids with evolution as a scientific fact, instead of presenting it as what it is.. a theory. A flawed theory at that.. believing in evolution requires more faith than believing in creation.

            Why not let students examine both theories, and make up their mind by themselves.

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              Originally posted by Airshark@Mar 11 2004, 11:02 AM
              It doesn't matter if intelligent design is believable or even if it's true. It's not science. There is no falsifiable premise, therefore no theory, and no possible proof or disproof. No matter how religious you are, it should be clear that intelligent design shouldn't be taught in a science class.

              As for evolution, it is falsifiable, therefore a legit theory. Note that you don't have to agree with it, but it is a theory, which can be tested based on evidence. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching it, no matter what religion the students are - a good science class will actually posit some false theories, to show students the scientific method. When I was in school, I had a text that mentioned LaMarck's theories, which are obviously false, and then used evidence to show how to disprove them. That is what science is all about.
              true, just stating an opinion

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                believing in evolution requires more faith than believing in creation.
                What? There is 0 ZERO, ZERO sience behind creation, NONE.
                Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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                  Originally posted by dooz+Mar 11 2004, 11:13 AM-->
                  QUOTE (dooz @ Mar 11 2004, 11:13 AM)
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                  What if there is a muslim or hindu or whatever kid in the room and you start teaching creationism and that is usually taught from the christian point of view. What then? That's why anything that has to do with religion in any way should be out of government and school. Even though this country is overwhelmingly christian we need to be fair to everyone and that means not giving religious opinions unless they're asked for.
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                    Originally posted by matt75@Mar 11 2004, 12:16 PM
                    What if there is a muslim or hindu or whatever kid in the room and you start teaching creationism and that is usually taught from the christian point of view. What then? That's why anything that has to do with religion in any way should be out of government and school. Even though this country is overwhelmingly christian we need to be fair to everyone and that means not giving religious opinions unless they're asked for.
                    Damn straight.

                    Not to mention teaching creationism is TEACHING RELIGION, leave that decision up to ME, not a school.
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                      Originally posted by matt75@Mar 11 2004, 11:16 AM
                      What if there is a muslim or hindu or whatever kid in the room and you start teaching creationism and that is usually taught from the christian point of view. What then? That's why anything that has to do with religion in any way should be out of government and school. Even though this country is overwhelmingly christian we need to be fair to everyone and that means not giving religious opinions unless they're asked for.
                      What if the community asks for it to be taught in their schools?
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                        Originally posted by madyaks@Mar 11 2004, 11:15 AM
                        believing in evolution requires more faith than believing in creation.
                        What? There is 0 ZERO, ZERO sience behind creation, NONE.
                        You don't even have to say anything about evidence, madyaks. By definition, it's not science. Impossible to prove or disprove - that's a belief, not a theory. Teach it if you want, but it's not science.

                        Let's take it another way. Japanese Shinto belief is that Amaterasu Omikami swept her hand through the ocean, and where the drops of water fell, the islands of Japan were formed. Should that be taught as well? I say it should - as religion, literature, or mythology. Not as science. It's fine to teach creationism as any of those three things - note especially the "religion" possibility.

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                          Originally posted by lazydaze+Mar 11 2004, 12:19 PM-->
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                          Originally posted by lazydaze+Mar 11 2004, 11:19 AM-->
                          QUOTE (lazydaze @ Mar 11 2004, 11:19 AM)
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