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Originally posted by hkyfan+Feb 20 2004, 12:10 PM-->
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Where are Sections 8 and 5?
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Get the war powers resolution and see
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NO, I mean when he laid out the reasons for going to WAR, the reasons he gave Congress and the rest of US Little people, it was ALL ABOUT WMD nothing more.
You know the reasons he gave to the parents of the kids KILLED going to stop the mad man (who we supported) because he had WMD, that he is a clear and present danger to the United States of America because he could attack us with WMD at any time.
Do you think so many people would have been OK with sending their kids to WAR because a dictator we supported had turned out to be an even worse a bad guy than we thought when we supported him?
The sad truth is that all of these parents who sent their children off to die for god and country thinking that we were close to being attacked by WMD, actually watched them sent off to die because of the policies of this country in supporting that idiot dictator for years and now we changed our minds.
(and when you say "this was always more than just existing stockpiles of WMD" you admit that even you believe what I just said was true)
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QUOTE(hkyfan @ Feb 20 2004, 12:10 PM)
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5( b ) of the War Powers Resolution.
Originally posted by Iowa_Card@Feb 20 2004, 12:25 PM
Where are Sections 8 and 5?
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5( b ) of the War Powers Resolution.
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Originally posted by lazydaze@Feb 20 2004, 12:04 PM
If you ahd been listening since 1998 you would of known that.
1 - Would have been nice if he had told the rest of the nation it was about MORE than WMD.
You know the reasons he gave to the parents of the kids KILLED going to stop the mad man (who we supported) because he had WMD, that he is a clear and present danger to the United States of America because he could attack us with WMD at any time.
Do you think so many people would have been OK with sending their kids to WAR because a dictator we supported had turned out to be an even worse a bad guy than we thought when we supported him?
The sad truth is that all of these parents who sent their children off to die for god and country thinking that we were close to being attacked by WMD, actually watched them sent off to die because of the policies of this country in supporting that idiot dictator for years and now we changed our minds.
(and when you say "this was always more than just existing stockpiles of WMD" you admit that even you believe what I just said was true)
Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.
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Originally posted by madyaks+Feb 20 2004, 12:49 PM-->
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hcky, or hky 
The government sold that reason to those that were too busy to learn for themsleves. Those to disinterested to educate themselves. Those to preoccupied to notice that every prominent elected official for the last 6 years has been advocating the very thing that is occurying.
And now, because the death is real, and public perception is turning, some want to claim " i got tricked" and cut bait. You tell me how you want to be led.
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It scares me, personally.
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QUOTE(madyaks @ Feb 20 2004, 12:49 PM)
But you know the real issue that Bush used to sell the country on this war lazy...WMD.
Minus WMD and the Iraq conflict will be an albatros around Dubya's neck this November.
Minus WMD and the Iraq conflict will be an albatros around Dubya's neck this November.
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Originally posted by hkyfan@Feb 20 2004, 01:02 PM
But you know the real issue that Bush used to sell the country on this war lazy...WMD.
Minus WMD and the Iraq conflict will be an albatros around Dubya's neck this November.
But you know the real issue that Bush used to sell the country on this war lazy...WMD.
Minus WMD and the Iraq conflict will be an albatros around Dubya's neck this November.
The government sold that reason to those that were too busy to learn for themsleves. Those to disinterested to educate themselves. Those to preoccupied to notice that every prominent elected official for the last 6 years has been advocating the very thing that is occurying.
And now, because the death is real, and public perception is turning, some want to claim " i got tricked" and cut bait. You tell me how you want to be led.
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Lazy
It seems quite a few Americans may have been confused about why we invaded Iraq.
Despite their "ignorance", I'm guessing many of them still plan to vote this November.
It seems quite a few Americans may have been confused about why we invaded Iraq.
Despite their "ignorance", I'm guessing many of them still plan to vote this November.
Public confidence falls in Bush’s crisis handling ability
According to a CBS/New York Times poll conducted September 28 through October 1, President Bush’s approval ratings for handling the Iraq situation, and foreign policy in general, continue to decline. 44% of those Americans polled approve of the way the US President has been handling foreign policy, while 45% disapprove. Similarly, 47% approve of the way the President is handling the Iraq situation, 48% disapprove. 41% thought the war on Iraq was worth the loss of American life and other costs, with 53% saying it was not worth it.
The CBS/NYT poll included broader foreign policy issues. People were asked whether the US should try to change a dictatorship into a democracy where it can, or stay out of other countries’ affairs. Among those polled, 21% said the US should try to change the dictatorship, while 61% said the United States should stay out. 55% feel the US should not attack another country unless the US is attacked first. 35% feel that the US should attack first.
People were also asked whether relations today between the US and its European allies, are better today, worse today or about the same as they were when George W. Bush took office. Only 9% said those relations are better than when the President took office, whereas 55% said those relations are now worse.
Misperceptions said to have driven support for war
On October 2, the Program on International Policy Attitudes and Knowledge Networks released a study based on a series of polls which reveal that Americans hold key misperceptions about issues surrounding the Iraq conflict. The study concludes that those misperceptions influenced American support for the war. Some findings from the polls over May to September include:
Support for the war among those who believed the US had found Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMD) was 74%. Among those who did not believe the US found Iraqi WMD, 42% support the war. Among those who incorrectly believed that a majority of world opinion favoured the war, 77% thought going to war was the best decision. Among those who thought world opinion held views that were ‘evenly balanced’ regarding the US-led war, 52% thought it was the best decision. Out of those who understood that the majority of public opinion opposed the US-led war against Iraq, 28% approved of the decision to go to war.
Based on polls conducted June-September 2003, 67% supported the war and believed that the US had found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with the Al Qaeda terrorist organization. 29% showed support for the war and believed that the US had not found such evidence.
PIPA and KN examined how all three misperceptions influenced Americans' support for the war, including: the connection of Saddam Hussein to the 9/11 attacks; the US discovery of Iraqi WMD; and world support for a US-led war. Support for the war among those who held none of those misperceptions was 23%. With one misperception, support for the war rises to 53%. Support for the war among those who held two of the misperceptions was 78%. For those who held all three misperceptions, approval of the Iraq war reached 86%. The PIPA/KN study also examined how American news broadcasts influenced perceptions about the Iraq conflict and support for the war.
According to a CBS/New York Times poll conducted September 28 through October 1, President Bush’s approval ratings for handling the Iraq situation, and foreign policy in general, continue to decline. 44% of those Americans polled approve of the way the US President has been handling foreign policy, while 45% disapprove. Similarly, 47% approve of the way the President is handling the Iraq situation, 48% disapprove. 41% thought the war on Iraq was worth the loss of American life and other costs, with 53% saying it was not worth it.
The CBS/NYT poll included broader foreign policy issues. People were asked whether the US should try to change a dictatorship into a democracy where it can, or stay out of other countries’ affairs. Among those polled, 21% said the US should try to change the dictatorship, while 61% said the United States should stay out. 55% feel the US should not attack another country unless the US is attacked first. 35% feel that the US should attack first.
People were also asked whether relations today between the US and its European allies, are better today, worse today or about the same as they were when George W. Bush took office. Only 9% said those relations are better than when the President took office, whereas 55% said those relations are now worse.
Misperceptions said to have driven support for war
On October 2, the Program on International Policy Attitudes and Knowledge Networks released a study based on a series of polls which reveal that Americans hold key misperceptions about issues surrounding the Iraq conflict. The study concludes that those misperceptions influenced American support for the war. Some findings from the polls over May to September include:
Support for the war among those who believed the US had found Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMD) was 74%. Among those who did not believe the US found Iraqi WMD, 42% support the war. Among those who incorrectly believed that a majority of world opinion favoured the war, 77% thought going to war was the best decision. Among those who thought world opinion held views that were ‘evenly balanced’ regarding the US-led war, 52% thought it was the best decision. Out of those who understood that the majority of public opinion opposed the US-led war against Iraq, 28% approved of the decision to go to war.
Based on polls conducted June-September 2003, 67% supported the war and believed that the US had found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with the Al Qaeda terrorist organization. 29% showed support for the war and believed that the US had not found such evidence.
PIPA and KN examined how all three misperceptions influenced Americans' support for the war, including: the connection of Saddam Hussein to the 9/11 attacks; the US discovery of Iraqi WMD; and world support for a US-led war. Support for the war among those who held none of those misperceptions was 23%. With one misperception, support for the war rises to 53%. Support for the war among those who held two of the misperceptions was 78%. For those who held all three misperceptions, approval of the Iraq war reached 86%. The PIPA/KN study also examined how American news broadcasts influenced perceptions about the Iraq conflict and support for the war.
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Originally posted by hkyfan@Feb 20 2004, 01:18 PM
Lazy
It seems quite a few Americans may have been confused about why we invaded Iraq.
Despite their "ignorance", I'm guessing many of them still plan to vote this November.
Lazy
It seems quite a few Americans may have been confused about why we invaded Iraq.
Despite their "ignorance", I'm guessing many of them still plan to vote this November.
Public confidence falls in Bush’s crisis handling ability
According to a CBS/New York Times poll conducted September 28 through October 1, President Bush’s approval ratings for handling the Iraq situation, and foreign policy in general, continue to decline. 44% of those Americans polled approve of the way the US President has been handling foreign policy, while 45% disapprove. Similarly, 47% approve of the way the President is handling the Iraq situation, 48% disapprove. 41% thought the war on Iraq was worth the loss of American life and other costs, with 53% saying it was not worth it.
The CBS/NYT poll included broader foreign policy issues. People were asked whether the US should try to change a dictatorship into a democracy where it can, or stay out of other countries’ affairs. Among those polled, 21% said the US should try to change the dictatorship, while 61% said the United States should stay out. 55% feel the US should not attack another country unless the US is attacked first. 35% feel that the US should attack first.
People were also asked whether relations today between the US and its European allies, are better today, worse today or about the same as they were when George W. Bush took office. Only 9% said those relations are better than when the President took office, whereas 55% said those relations are now worse.
Misperceptions said to have driven support for war
On October 2, the Program on International Policy Attitudes and Knowledge Networks released a study based on a series of polls which reveal that Americans hold key misperceptions about issues surrounding the Iraq conflict. The study concludes that those misperceptions influenced American support for the war. Some findings from the polls over May to September include:
Support for the war among those who believed the US had found Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMD) was 74%. Among those who did not believe the US found Iraqi WMD, 42% support the war. Among those who incorrectly believed that a majority of world opinion favoured the war, 77% thought going to war was the best decision. Among those who thought world opinion held views that were ‘evenly balanced’ regarding the US-led war, 52% thought it was the best decision. Out of those who understood that the majority of public opinion opposed the US-led war against Iraq, 28% approved of the decision to go to war.
Based on polls conducted June-September 2003, 67% supported the war and believed that the US had found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with the Al Qaeda terrorist organization. 29% showed support for the war and believed that the US had not found such evidence.
PIPA and KN examined how all three misperceptions influenced Americans' support for the war, including: the connection of Saddam Hussein to the 9/11 attacks; the US discovery of Iraqi WMD; and world support for a US-led war. Support for the war among those who held none of those misperceptions was 23%. With one misperception, support for the war rises to 53%. Support for the war among those who held two of the misperceptions was 78%. For those who held all three misperceptions, approval of the Iraq war reached 86%. The PIPA/KN study also examined how American news broadcasts influenced perceptions about the Iraq conflict and support for the war.
According to a CBS/New York Times poll conducted September 28 through October 1, President Bush’s approval ratings for handling the Iraq situation, and foreign policy in general, continue to decline. 44% of those Americans polled approve of the way the US President has been handling foreign policy, while 45% disapprove. Similarly, 47% approve of the way the President is handling the Iraq situation, 48% disapprove. 41% thought the war on Iraq was worth the loss of American life and other costs, with 53% saying it was not worth it.
The CBS/NYT poll included broader foreign policy issues. People were asked whether the US should try to change a dictatorship into a democracy where it can, or stay out of other countries’ affairs. Among those polled, 21% said the US should try to change the dictatorship, while 61% said the United States should stay out. 55% feel the US should not attack another country unless the US is attacked first. 35% feel that the US should attack first.
People were also asked whether relations today between the US and its European allies, are better today, worse today or about the same as they were when George W. Bush took office. Only 9% said those relations are better than when the President took office, whereas 55% said those relations are now worse.
Misperceptions said to have driven support for war
On October 2, the Program on International Policy Attitudes and Knowledge Networks released a study based on a series of polls which reveal that Americans hold key misperceptions about issues surrounding the Iraq conflict. The study concludes that those misperceptions influenced American support for the war. Some findings from the polls over May to September include:
Support for the war among those who believed the US had found Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMD) was 74%. Among those who did not believe the US found Iraqi WMD, 42% support the war. Among those who incorrectly believed that a majority of world opinion favoured the war, 77% thought going to war was the best decision. Among those who thought world opinion held views that were ‘evenly balanced’ regarding the US-led war, 52% thought it was the best decision. Out of those who understood that the majority of public opinion opposed the US-led war against Iraq, 28% approved of the decision to go to war.
Based on polls conducted June-September 2003, 67% supported the war and believed that the US had found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with the Al Qaeda terrorist organization. 29% showed support for the war and believed that the US had not found such evidence.
PIPA and KN examined how all three misperceptions influenced Americans' support for the war, including: the connection of Saddam Hussein to the 9/11 attacks; the US discovery of Iraqi WMD; and world support for a US-led war. Support for the war among those who held none of those misperceptions was 23%. With one misperception, support for the war rises to 53%. Support for the war among those who held two of the misperceptions was 78%. For those who held all three misperceptions, approval of the Iraq war reached 86%. The PIPA/KN study also examined how American news broadcasts influenced perceptions about the Iraq conflict and support for the war.
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Lazy
You're still living under the illusion that voting takes place by an "informed electorate".
That's only theory that they teach you in Government 101.
You're still living under the illusion that voting takes place by an "informed electorate".
That's only theory that they teach you in Government 101.
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Originally posted by lazydaze+Feb 20 2004, 01:09 PM-->
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QUOTE(lazydaze @ Feb 20 2004, 01:09 PM)
>>You're still living under the illusion that voting takes place by an "informed electorate".<<
hcky finally coming clean.
He believes people aren't capable of self-government.
hcky finally coming clean.
He believes people aren't capable of self-government.
And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.
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Originally posted by Moe_Szyslak+Feb 20 2004, 02:08 PM-->
QUOTE(Moe_Szyslak @ Feb 20 2004, 02:08 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 01:09 PM
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Don't recall the Clinton invasion of Iraq, but I may have been traveling...
BTW, which time was the administration telling the truth? Before or after 9/11?
Excerpt from press conference on 24 February 2001 during Powell's visit to Cairo, Egypt. Answering a question about the US-led sanctions against Iraq, the Secretary of State said:
We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq...
BTW, which time was the administration telling the truth? Before or after 9/11?
Excerpt from press conference on 24 February 2001 during Powell's visit to Cairo, Egypt. Answering a question about the US-led sanctions against Iraq, the Secretary of State said:
We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq...
The Dude abides.
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Seems to me David Kay was referencing Clinton's bombing of Baghdad and other Iraqi sites just the other day.
Must have been my imagination.
Must have been my imagination.
And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.
-The Artist formerly known as King in KC
-The Artist formerly known as King in KC
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