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  • September 11 timeline - minute by minute

    This is being discussed in another thread, but I thought this link was interesting enough to merit its own thread.

    It's a minute by minute account of what happened and what government and FAA officials did that day. Very interesting. Although there are editorial comments mixed in, it seems to be very well documented.

    (It also backs up kah's claim that Bush sat on his ass after being informed, but it is about the entire day, not just that issue)

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...n/dayof911.html
    It's VERY long, but here are some sections.

    (9:03 a.m.) According to Sarasota County Sheriff Bill Balkwill, just after Bush enters a Booker Elementary classroom, a Marine responsible for carrying Bush's phone walks up to Balkwill, who is standing in a nearby side room. While listening to someone talk to him in his earpiece, the Marine asks, "Can you get me to a television? We're not sure what's going on, but we need to see a television." Three Secret Service agents, a SWAT member, the Marine and Balkwill turn on the television in a nearby front office just as Flight 175 crashes into the WTC. "We're out of here," the Marine tells Balkwill. "Can you get everyone ready?" [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/10/02] So apparently some of Bush's security want him to leave the school immediately - why does he stay until 9:34?


    (9:03 - 9:06 a.m.) Bush enters Sandra Kay Daniels' second-grade class for a photo-op to promote Bush's education policies. [Daily Mail, 9/8/02] Numerous reporters who travel with the president, as well as members of the local media, watch from the back of the room. [AP, 8/19/02 (D)] Altogether there about 150 people in the room, 16 of them the children in the class. He is introduced to the children and poses for a number of staged pictures. The teacher then leads the students through some reading exercises (video footage shows this lasts about three minutes). [Salon, 9/12/01 (B)] Bush later claims that while he is doing this lesson, he is thinking what he will say about the WTC crash. "I was concentrating on the program at this point, thinking about what I was going to say. Obviously, I felt it was an accident. I was concerned about it, but there were no alarm bells." [Washington Times, 10/7/02] The children are just getting their books from under their seats to read a story together when Chief of Staff Andrew Card comes in to tell Bush of the second WTC crash (see (9:06 a.m.)). [Daily Mail, 9/8/02] [9:02, Washington Times, 10/8/02, 9:03, Telegraph, 12/16/01, 9:04, Daily Mail, 9/8/02, according to photographer Eric Draper, who is in the room] Note that Card comes in at the conclusion of the first half of the planned lesson, and "[seizes] a pause in the reading drill to walk up to Mr. Bush's seat." [Washington Times, 10/7/02, Washington Times, 10/8/02] Why doesn't Bush take this opportune moment to leave the room?

    (After 9:03 a.m.) Secret Service agents burst into Vice President Cheney's White House office. They carry him under his arms - nearly lifting him off the ground - and propel him down the steps into the White House basement and through a long tunnel toward an underground bunker. ["Just after 9:00," ABC, 9/14/02 (B), around 9:06 when Bush is being told of the second WTC hit, New York Times, 9/16/01 (B), same time Bush is being told, Telegraph, 12/16/01, shortly after Bush's speech at 9:30, CBS, 9/11/02, 9:32, Washington Post, 1/27/02] At about the same time, National Security Adviser Rice is told to go to the bunker as well. [ABC News, 9/11/02] Accounts of when this happens vary widely, from around 9:03 to 9:32. But since ABC News claims Cheney is in the bunker when he is told Flight 77 is 50 miles away from Washington, accounts of this taking place after 9:27 appear to be incorrect (see (9:27 a.m.)). The one eyewitness account, David Bohrer, a White House photographer, says it takes place just after 9:00. [ABC, 9/14/02 (B)] Why doesn't this happen to Bush at the same time? Are reports of this happening to Cheney later spin meant to make Bush remaining in public seem less strange?

    (9:16 a.m.)� Bush leaves the Sarasota classroom where he has been since about 9:03. The children finish their lessons and put away their readers. [Sarasota Magazine, 9/19/01] Bush advises the children to stay in school and be good citizens. [Tampa Tribune, 9/1/02, St. Petersburg Times, 9/8/02 (B)] He also tells the children, "Thank you all so very much for showing me your reading skills." [ABC News, 9/11/02] One student also asks Bush a question, and Bush gives a quick response on his education policy. [New York Post, 9/12/02] A reporter asks, "Mr. President, are you aware of the reports of the plane crash in New York? Is there any..." This question is interrupted by an aide who has come into the room, saying, "All right. Thank you. If everyone could please step outside." Bush then says, "We'll talk about it later." [CBS, 9/11/02 (B)] Bush then tells school principal Gwen Tose-Rigell, who is in the room, about the terror attacks and why he has to leave. [Washington Times, 10/7/02] He then goes into an empty classroom next door and meets with his staff there. [ABC News, 9/11/02] Bush's program with the children was supposed to start at 9:00 and end 20 minutes later. [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/16/01] So he leaves the classroom only a couple of minutes earlier than planned, if at all (as the goodbyes and questions on the way out may have taken another minute or two).

    2005 Mandatory Loyalty Oath: I love America, our troops, baseball, Moms, and certain pies. I want no harm to come to any of those institutions, nor do I take any glee in their demise.

  • #2
    Look, I know there were only 16 kids in the room, but don't you think the instinct might have been -- even if wrong or misguided -- that they didn't want to scare the hell out of the little tykes?
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    • #3
      Secret Service agents burst into Vice President Cheney's White House office. They carry him under his arms - nearly lifting him off the ground - and propel him down the steps into the White House basement and through a long tunnel toward an underground bunker.


      Wouldnt it be quicker to run himself?

      Whats with that? Is that how it is really done?

      Lame shit, man, lame shit.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by JackSparrow@Mar 4 2004, 02:31 PM
        Secret Service agents burst into Vice President Cheney's White House office. They carry him under his arms - nearly lifting him off the ground - and propel him down the steps into the White House basement and through a long tunnel toward an underground bunker.


        Wouldnt it be quicker to run himself?

        Whats with that? Is that how it is really done?

        Lame shit, man, lame shit.
        They were afraid he would have a heart attack if he had to walk himself.
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        • #5
          Trig, that website is a joke. You and Kah are not helping your partisan reputations by posting that shit.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ReggieCleveland@Mar 4 2004, 02:36 PM
            Trig, that website is a joke. You and Kah are not helping your partisan reputations by posting that shit.
            REggie - I admit the website is a little kooky, and I'm not endorsing all of the editorial comments they make. However, it is the most detailed listing of the days event's I've seen, and the items they detail are all documented with links to news articles.

            So, on topics like "When was Bush told about the plane crash and when did he stop reading the children's books", I see no reason not to believe it. If you do, please show me why.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by kennyboyerfan@Mar 4 2004, 02:30 PM
              Look, I know there were only 16 kids in the room, but don't you think the instinct might have been -- even if wrong or misguided -- that they didn't want to scare the hell out of the little tykes?
              Couldn't he have simply said "excuse me, children, but I need to make a phone call"?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Trigfunctions@Mar 4 2004, 02:40 PM
                So, on topics like "When was Bush told about the plane crash and when did he stop reading the children's books", I see no reason not to believe it. If you do, please show me why.
                Just pick out what you think fits.


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                • #9
                  Think back to that day -- how much time elapsed between the moment you first heard that a plane hit the WTC, and when you heard that it was a commercial jet and not some fuckup?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Trigfunctions+Mar 4 2004, 02:41 PM-->
                    QUOTE(Trigfunctions @ Mar 4 2004, 02:41 PM)

                  • #11
                    Originally posted by JackSparrow@Mar 4 2004, 02:42 PM
                    Just pick out what you think fits.

                    You are a fucking idiot, thats why you believe it.
                    While it's true that I often am a fucking idiot, I don't see how that relates to why I believe that Bush was told about the first plane crash at about 9:03, the second plane crash at about 9:06, and that he left the classroom at about 9:16.
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                    • #12
                      this thread is going to be 10 pages long by tomorrow afternoon.

                      Jd, get in here.

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by ReggieCleveland@Mar 4 2004, 02:43 PM
                        Think back to that day -- how much time elapsed between the moment you first heard that a plane hit the WTC, and when you heard that it was a commercial jet and not some fuckup?
                        I watched it happen on TV. At first I thought it was a terrible accident, and after the second I was afraid it was a coordinated attack.

                        After Bush was told of the SECOND crash, he kept reading to the kids for ten or 15 more mintues. That's a little strange to me.
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                        • #14
                          I haven't seen anyone dismissing this as JFK conspiracy talk present evidence disputing the fact at hand, namely that Bush read to the kiddies for 10 minutes after being informed by Card that America was under attack. I hope everybody doing so will share with us sources proving that what we're saying isn't true and that Bush actually left the room immediately.

                          Re: KBF's point about scaring the children--I fully agree that having Bush's secret service detail barge into the room with machine guns drawn would have been a bad idea. But I also don't know why he couldn't have simply stood up, announced that something required his attention, and calmly left the room.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by ReggieCleveland@Mar 4 2004, 02:36 PM
                            Trig, that website is a joke. You and Kah are not helping your partisan reputations by posting that shit.
                            Reggie ...

                            Maybe you can help me out on this.

                            I'm a little sketchy.

                            When was the last time the US was attacked by terrorists flying planes into buildings?

                            Seems some people tend to think we actually have dealt with this before, so that reactions should have been perfect.

                            If you could help me remember how are leaders responded the last time this happened I'd appreciate. It might also help the rest of the folks on the board.

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