Thread: Should Stephen Strasburg get an ASG nod?

Originally Posted by Tazlaz

I don't believe I ever said anything to the contrary. Hell, I reasoned it in my original post that it was because he's "... a guy who's started 4 games."

So you're in favor of taking a lesser team up against the AL and possible affect the outcome of the World Series based on IP and IP alone.


Huh. That's an interesting philosophy.

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

please answer the question.

I already did: sample size alert...

But if you want to deal with hypotheticals with May 1, who is to say that the league hadn't figure him out enough where his numbers would be inflated a bit?

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

So you're in favor of taking a lesser team up against the AL and possible affect the outcome of the World Series based on IP and IP alone.


Huh. That's an interesting philosophy.

I'm in favor of rewarding players who have been up for more than 3 weeks, by selecting them to an EXHIBITION in which it happens that the winner gets home field advantage. I'm more than comfortable with the people I listed previously - even if I feel Strasburg may have better "stuff." They've proven over the first 3 months to be quite good. Nobody's ever denied Daniel Cabrera had great stuff, too, but nobody's clammoring for him.

Originally Posted by 007

I already did: sample size alert...

But if you want to deal with hypotheticals with May 1, who is to say that the league hadn't figure him out enough where his numbers would be inflated a bit?

and who's to say that he wouldn't have stymied them even more?

I was one who said he should have been traded before his first start because he was at a career high value in the trade market....but I was dead wrong.

This guy might be the best pitcher on the planet right now. He's given no one ANY reason to think that when healthy he won't continue his domination.

Quit living in 1980 in thinking that the ASG is a reward for half a season of good work. The ASG is about deciding who gets more home games in the World Series.

You have to take your best players.....and there's no question that Strasburg is one of the NL's absolute best.

Originally Posted by Tazlaz

I'm in favor of rewarding players who have been up for more than 3 weeks, by selecting them to an EXHIBITION in which it happens that the winner gets home field advantage. I'm more than comfortable with the people I listed previously - even if I feel Strasburg may have better "stuff." They've proven over the first 3 months to be quite good. Nobody's ever denied Daniel Cabrera had great stuff, too, but nobody's clammoring for him.

You're basing your opinion on the antiquated idea that this is an EXHIBITION. It's not. This game is a competetion with REAL consequences for the winners and losers.

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

You're basing your opinion on the antiquated idea that this is an EXHIBITION. It's not. This game is a competetion with REAL consequences for the winners and losers.

Last page you told me opposing hitters would disagree with me. Now I get to tell you the players disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Tazlaz

Last page you told me opposing hitters would disagree with me. Now I get to tell you the players disagree with you.

Really? You don't think the players try to win?

Huh.

You really are stuck in the 1980s.

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

and who's to say that he wouldn't have stymied them even more?

I was one who said he should have been traded before his first start because he was at a career high value in the trade market....but I was dead wrong.

This guy might be the best pitcher on the planet right now. He's given no one ANY reason to think that when healthy he won't continue his domination.

Quit living in 1980 in thinking that the ASG is a reward for half a season of good work. The ASG is about deciding who gets more home games in the World Series.

You have to take your best players.....and there's no question that Strasburg is one of the NL's absolute best.

Okay...

I thought about the Franklin debate even before Taz pointed it out...and I think there are differences...first, there's was no one playing the role of Strasburg in that debate...second, the ArtSight argument was based on projections, and the fact that he wasn't as good as his numbers...the Strasburg debate isn't really based on projections, at least not IMO...it's based on the fact that he's been flat nasty and dominant and I don't think you have to run numbers into the future to determine that he is easily one of the most dominant pitchers in either league...sure, you can argue whether more exposure would have allowed hitters to figure him out, and thus proved him less-than-dominant...

But I have a hard time believing that any amount of preparation, experience facing him, or video is going to allow any hitter to figure out how to deal with a 90mph changeup and that filthy hook...so I can't imagine he'd be getting smacked around now if he'd come up on May 1st...

I'm with 007, though...I don't really care one way or the other, as I think the NL has a fully capable stable of pitchers without him...hard to say if limited duty greatly increases their chance at victory with him, unless you know that whoever you're replacing with him is the guy who would've otherwise gotten shelled...

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

Really? You don't think the players try to win?

Huh.

You really are stuck in the 1980s.

Pete Rose rolled Ray Fosse in an All-Star game...I think they were trying to win even back then...of course, Rose may have just had money on the game, so who knows...

Does having Strasberg on the team give the NL a better chance of winning?

Yes, he should.

He is one of the ten best pitchers in baseball.

Originally Posted by Tazlaz

Sorry but, hell no. Tell me who doesn't deserve a nod over a guy who's started 4 games:

Ubaldo Jiminez, 13-1, 1.60
Adam Wainwright, 10-4, 2.23
Chris Carpenter, 9-1, 2.63
Mike Pelfrey, 9-2 (1 save), 2.69
Josh Johnson, 8-2, 1.80
Carlos Silva, 8-2, 3.01
Roy Halladay, 8-6, 2.43
Tim Lincecum, 8-2, 2.86
Tim Hudson, 7-3, 2.54
Jaime Garcia, 7-3, 1.79

plus others such as
Yovani Gallardo, 6-3, 2.59
Matt Cain, 6-5, 2.16
Clayton Kershaw, 7-4, 3.24
Mat Latos, 8-4, 2.93
Johnny Cueto, 7-2, 3.97

I'd take Strasburg over Cueto, Kershaw, Latos, Cain, Gallardo, Garcia, Hudson, Pelfrey and Silva (how dare you put a Scrubs player on here).

Originally Posted by El Birdo 1

Yes, he should.

He is one of the ten best pitchers in baseball.

Hell, he may even be in the top 5 already.

Originally Posted by dhaab

I'd take Strasburg over Cueto, Kershaw, Latos, Cain, Gallardo, Garcia, Hudson, Pelfrey and Silva (how dare you put a Scrubs player on here).

I take him 5th on that list behind Wainwright, Jiminez, Halladay, Lincecum (in no particular order).

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

This guy might be the best pitcher on the planet right now. He's given no one ANY reason to think that when healthy he won't continue his domination.

Quit living in 1980 in thinking that the ASG is a reward for half a season of good work. The ASG is about deciding who gets more home games in the World Series.

You have to take your best players.....and there's no question that Strasburg is one of the NL's absolute best.

Well said, BBZ. We agree!!

GREAT idea for a thread, 007.

Originally Posted by Hollywood

Does having Strasberg on the team give the NL a better chance of winning?

He doesnt' have nearly enough IPs to help the NL win the game.

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

So you're in favor of taking a lesser team up against the AL and possible affect the outcome of the World Series based on IP and IP alone.

I rather like it...

Originally Posted by dhaab

Hell, he may even be in the top 5 already.

Top 5?

I have a contact at Cooperstown...I'll have them know to get that bust started...

Originally Posted by 007

Top 5?

I have a contact at Cooperstown...I'll have them know to get that bust started...

I'm going there tomorrow. I can deliver the message and help clear space.

Originally Posted by Tazlaz

I'm going there tomorrow. I can deliver the message and help clear space.

Noice...

Originally Posted by Hollywood

Does having Strasberg on the team give the NL a better chance of winning?

Taz? Double O?

I can't believe 007 just dropped the Brandon Walsh, 90210 version of "nice."

Does he "deserve" to go? No. Do the fans want to see him there? Yes. Will he give the NL a better chance of winning? Yes. I say put him on the team.