Thread: Should Stephen Strasburg get an ASG nod?

Well?

If he continues to pitch like he has, sure.

Provisional Yes.

He's close to earning it based on the first half of this season, which appears to be how voters vote for AS players.

But if we were to actually take into account a calendar year's worth of performance in MLB then he wouldn't get a vote.

no but yes. I'd like the NL to win one of these days.

Originally Posted by cardinalgirl

no but yes. I'd like the NL to win one of these days.

This.

I voted no because he's pitched 4 f'n games in the major leagues. But since it "means something" then I wouldn't mind having him on there.

And this is one of the many reasons why the game is so screwed up these days...

Sorry but, hell no. Tell me who doesn't deserve a nod over a guy who's started 4 games:

Ubaldo Jiminez, 13-1, 1.60
Adam Wainwright, 10-4, 2.23
Chris Carpenter, 9-1, 2.63
Mike Pelfrey, 9-2 (1 save), 2.69
Josh Johnson, 8-2, 1.80
Carlos Silva, 8-2, 3.01
Roy Halladay, 8-6, 2.43
Tim Lincecum, 8-2, 2.86
Tim Hudson, 7-3, 2.54
Jaime Garcia, 7-3, 1.79

plus others such as
Yovani Gallardo, 6-3, 2.59
Matt Cain, 6-5, 2.16
Clayton Kershaw, 7-4, 3.24
Mat Latos, 8-4, 2.93
Johnny Cueto, 7-2, 3.97

Originally Posted by StlCardz1982

This.

I voted no because he's pitched 4 f'n games in the major leagues. But since it "means something" then I wouldn't mind having him on there.

And this is one of the many reasons why the game is so screwed up these days...

considering most 5th starters on most teams have as many wins as strasberg thus far, i agree not enough games to consider. too bad washington f'd him by keeping him down to avoid arbitration. but such is life.

Sure would be a ratings boost. I don't have a problem with it.

Originally Posted by Tazlaz

Sorry but, hell no. Tell me who doesn't deserve a nod over a guy who's started 4 games:

Ubaldo Jiminez, 13-1, 1.60
Adam Wainwright, 10-4, 2.23
Chris Carpenter, 9-1, 2.63
Mike Pelfrey, 9-2 (1 save), 2.69
Josh Johnson, 8-2, 1.80
Carlos Silva, 8-2, 3.01
Roy Halladay, 8-6, 2.43
Tim Lincecum, 8-2, 2.86
Tim Hudson, 7-3, 2.54
Jaime Garcia, 7-3, 1.79

plus others such as
Yovani Gallardo, 6-3, 2.59
Matt Cain, 6-5, 2.16
Clayton Kershaw, 7-4, 3.24
Mat Latos, 8-4, 2.93
Johnny Cueto, 7-2, 3.97

And who would you rather see pitch?

Originally Posted by Tazlaz

Sorry but, hell no. Tell me who doesn't deserve a nod over a guy who's started 4 games:

Ubaldo Jiminez, 13-1, 1.60
Adam Wainwright, 10-4, 2.23
Chris Carpenter, 9-1, 2.63
Mike Pelfrey, 9-2 (1 save), 2.69
Josh Johnson, 8-2, 1.80
Carlos Silva, 8-2, 3.01
Roy Halladay, 8-6, 2.43
Tim Lincecum, 8-2, 2.86
Tim Hudson, 7-3, 2.54
Jaime Garcia, 7-3, 1.79

plus others such as
Yovani Gallardo, 6-3, 2.59
Matt Cain, 6-5, 2.16
Clayton Kershaw, 7-4, 3.24
Mat Latos, 8-4, 2.93
Johnny Cueto, 7-2, 3.97

Originally Posted by Hollywood

And who would you rather see pitch?

Ubaldo, Waino, Carp, JJ, Halladay, Lincecum, Hudson, Garcia, Gallardo, Cain, Kershaw. That's 11 for what I believe will be 9 or 10 starters.

As long as the MLB seems determined to make the ASG decide home field in the World Series, AS selection shouldn't be about deserving it. It needs to be about who gives the NL the best chance to win.

Strasburg NEEDS to be there.

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

As long as the MLB seems determined to make the ASG decide home field in the World Series, AS selection shouldn't be about deserving it. It needs to be about who gives the NL the best chance to win.

Strasburg NEEDS to be there.

Yeah, this is a great point...

Plus, I'd say aside from BBZ's point, it's all (obviously) opinion based on how you view the criteria...does Strasburg have the numbers? Clearly, no, because of his late call up... Has he proved in a short time that he has All-Star stuff, and is an All-Star-quality pitcher despite not amassing sizeable numbers yet? Yes.

I think the case could be made equally both for and against...

Taz is exactly right.

No reason to alter the selection process for one overhyped rookie.

Originally Posted by Tazlaz

Sorry but, hell no. Tell me who doesn't deserve a nod over a guy who's started 4 games:

Ubaldo Jiminez, 13-1, 1.60
Adam Wainwright, 10-4, 2.23
Chris Carpenter, 9-1, 2.63
Mike Pelfrey, 9-2 (1 save), 2.69
Josh Johnson, 8-2, 1.80
Carlos Silva, 8-2, 3.01
Roy Halladay, 8-6, 2.43
Tim Lincecum, 8-2, 2.86
Tim Hudson, 7-3, 2.54
Jaime Garcia, 7-3, 1.79

plus others such as
Yovani Gallardo, 6-3, 2.59
Matt Cain, 6-5, 2.16
Clayton Kershaw, 7-4, 3.24
Mat Latos, 8-4, 2.93
Johnny Cueto, 7-2, 3.97

Stephen Strasburg: .95 WHIP.

Only Latos can match that. Strasburg is better than everyone else on your list.

He also leads all of them in K/BB, K/9, and everyone but Halladay in BB/9.

Sure, why not. If it was a rigorous, merit-based selection process, the fans wouldn't be voting on it.

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

As long as the MLB seems determined to make the ASG decide home field in the World Series, AS selection shouldn't be about deserving it. It needs to be about who gives the NL the best chance to win.

Strasburg NEEDS to be there.

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Originally Posted by bombay

Taz is exactly right.

No reason to alter the selection process for one overhyped rookie.

I don't know that you can call him overhyped...he's pretty much lived up to it...

Originally Posted by kah

Sure, why not. If it was a rigorous, merit-based selection process, the fans wouldn't be voting on it.

Fans don't vote for pitchers.

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

Stephen Strasburg: .95 WHIP.

Only Latos can match that. Strasburg is better than everyone else on your list.

He also leads all of them in K/BB, K/9, and everyone but Halladay in BB/9.

Doesn't qualify... because he hasn't thrown enough innings.

Originally Posted by BringBackZezel

Stephen Strasburg: .95 WHIP.

Only Latos can match that. Strasburg is better than everyone else on your list.

He also leads all of them in K/BB, K/9, and everyone but Halladay in BB/9.

Got what, a five game sample size?

Originally Posted by Tazlaz

Fans don't vote for pitchers.

I know this. Don't care.

Originally Posted by Tazlaz

Doesn't qualify... because he hasn't thrown enough innings.

Doesn't qualify for what? We're not giving out awards. We've having a discussion about the merits of one pitcher vs those of a handful of other pitchers.

In terms of stats, Strasburg compares VERY favorably.

Originally Posted by JK

Yeah, this is a great point...

Plus, I'd say aside from BBZ's point, it's all (obviously) opinion based on how you view the criteria...does Strasburg have the numbers? Clearly, no, because of his late call up... Has he proved in a short time that he has All-Star stuff, and is an All-Star-quality pitcher despite not amassing sizeable numbers yet? Yes.

I think the case could be made equally both for and against...

He'd be taking a spot away from someone who has proven it over a longer period of time - the entire season. This is an abnormal season with a huge number of pitchers having fantastic numbers. In any other season, I could see a case being made. He loses out because of the quality of his peers.

I suppose R.A. Dickey should get an invite, too. He started the season in the minors and is 6-0 in only 7 starts for the Mets, with a 2.33 ERA.

Originally Posted by 007

Got what, a five game sample size?

4 games...and so what? If he's the best (or among the best) the NL has to offer, he HAS to be there.

Objections to Strasburg rest on the assumption that there is some strict merit-based criteria for selection to the ASG. This of course is not true and never has been.